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1994 red LHD Lancia Dedra Integrale, thought to be the only one on the road in the UK, current mileage is 66,254.  Until 2015 it lived in Belgium and Luxembourg with its previous owner who brought it into the UK. Comes complete with a second set of 4 winter wheels and tyres.
It has a comprehensive service record and since I owned it, has had the following done: timing belt, front brake discs and pads, battery, SS exhaust, new oil cooler and pipes, completely wax oiled, refurbished wheels, clutch slave cylinder, replaced 8v starter motor with 16v one, replaced leaking sump gaskets and new clutch.
She is a pleasure to drive and appeared on the Lancia stand at the 2018 NEC Classic Car Show. Only reason for sale is I have run out of garage space.
£9,500 ono including new MOT. Send me a message with what photos you would like to see.

The Dedra Integrale will be at Brooklands tomorrow if anyone is interested in having a closer look, just give me a call on 07818 444333

With a car like the Dedra, you never know how much it is worth until you test the market, which I have now and with very little interest so I open the sale up to any sensible offers please. I will be driving it to the Bristol Italian Car Display this Saturday the 15th June at the SS Great Britain if it is not pouring down, so I hope I can show it off then.

She is lovely Chris.....I wish I had the room?...sigh!

Ian

I guess one way to price the car would be against Alfa 155 Q4. We´ve had a Q4 for quite a few years now, but it would be hard to get 7500GBP for the car in the UK where they have no real following.

The Dedra Integrale is even more obscure, but there should be a Lancia freak in Benelux or Germany who is willing to pay a good price. As the car can be exported to USA, $99 spent listing on Bring a Trailer is money well-spent. the coverage is huge and there´s a good foloowing for Lancias. I´ve sold cars to Europe from there, so it isn´t exclusively US buyers.

Thanks Martin, I have reduced the price to £8,000 ono now so may try your suggestion.

Well nearly another month gone - does no one like Dedras anymore, and this maybe the most collectable one there is.  It needs to be used and enjoyed and I don't have the time, so something has to go, how about if I reduce it to £6,500? Anyone interested?

Chris,

Don't give it away, it's worth more than that, I know you need the space, but come on someone has to bite, be patient a little while longer.

Sorry Chris,

Mean't to say put it on Carandclassic.com it's a world wide classic car site, you can post as much as you want about it, it's free & immediate advertising.

Nooooo..... don't reduce it one more pound!

I've seen this car in the metal. It's a lovely, collector-grade example of a very rare Lancia & very well-kept - a true gentleman's express. Of powerful road-going capability, it arrives in a good, strong colour, too - indeed the only proper colour for a sporting Lancia.

So please don't reduce it, Chris - you'd be selling both the car & yourself short! Considering the transmission that resides below the floor, a rare bolide properly deserving of its illustrious badging: which is why the Dedra Integrale sold like hot cakes to Italians in its home market, especially in their Alpine provinces, but we English still don't get it. (Apparently we're the same with parmesan, too....)  
No, your only problem here is one of a pearl placed before swine.....

'Dedra' is a letter in the Greek alphabet; which in marketing terms is/was all very classy in Europe but still has (and did have back in the 1990s, when Lancia UK still existed and the Heron Group marketed them) a quite unfortunate phonetic correlation for us Anglo-Saxons: that dull ring of mortality.

While 'Delta' happily lacks those undertones, the 'Dedra' in its day certainly did benefit from a halo-effect from Lancia's famous rallying 'Integrale' Deltas. Unfortunately I'm afraid that, for the average British classic car enthusiast today, extending that sporting link to the Dedra saloon is just too complicated to grasp, if they ever even made it in the first place (which is unlikely). Why the real market for this car is in Europe and the slide of sterling against the Euro should make your car even more attractive yet to discerning European Lancia collectors wanting to extricate & rescue it before that Halloween deadline...

No, some abstract, localised side-effects from a bit of sadly-cockeyed 1990s UK marketing by the Heron Group give no sensible reason for interested parties to think this rare but handsome cross-country galloper any less of a car. (Just test drive one to see)  

Nor should the fact it comes in LHD distract the true UK enthusiast, a feature which in my book and in Britain - in places like Wales, Cumbria & Scotland - I've always preferred as a feature enabling the keen driver to go faster (but safer) on narrow country lanes, in those parts of the country you itch to take a good car.  'Ditch-hooking' what the forest rally boys call it, and a vital safety option made available to any UK driver sitting on the left hand side of the car when coming round a blind bend in the middle of nowhere that's flanked with dry stone walls - only to suddenly encounter 'The Unexpected'.....

And aren't all Integrales LHD anyway? Not to mention the Alfa Romeo 155 Q4 - like the Dedra Integrale, a very similar car to its Delta siblings under the skin, but similarly overlooked. Though not in Europe.

Stick to your guns!

Is it one for the "Bring a trailer" site?

Thanks everyone for your thoughts, maybe I will give carandclassic.com a go.

If you aren't stepping up to buy it then there surely is little point in saying don't reduce the price any further. If it needs a new home where it can be properly stored and cared for then making it affordable for a less affluent enthusiast has to be a good thing. Some of us long for the car of our dreams at a price we can afford.

Yes, I'm sorry, Chris - Frank is absolutely right.

My supportive words above (directed to a friend) were quite offbeam - so do as Frank says and act more charitably, dropping your price so someone else can have it cheaply.

Blessed are the meek!

Ebay is the destroyer of all the crazy ideas we have of what our 'priceless' Lancias are worth...stick it on there with a reserve.
Clarkey

Chris,

I would. When I advertised my Thesis through LMC circles, despite lots of folk commending it, there were no takers. During my time with the car, many folk said that they would be interested if it was ever for sale but in reality you couldn't see them for dust. I put it on carandclassic.com at a price I was more than happy with & the interest was huge, so much so that the first viewer purchased it without haggling and drove it away.

There are no guarantees when selling a car but it's got to be worth a try, especially for that car of yours-it's a hidden gem. There are no unmolested examples for sale on Autoscout24.com  anywhere in Europe at the moment, the nearest is a scruffy & scuffed '94 Dedra HF Turbo at 7,500 Euros. I'd be cheeky and advertise it at 10,000 euros- You never know it may be just what someone out there is holding out for.

Thanks Paul, I will give it a go.

Chris

People are weird when it comes to buying cars advertised on Forums. The eventual buyer of my last 1300 Beta Coupe admitted to considering buying at the £750 posted on here and Betaboyz. I eventually put it on ebay. He was caught up in the bidding and ended up paying me £1400.

Not being bothered to pick up the phone cost him £650!

Good on you, Chris - now on Car& Classic!

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1137305

Only 6 pictures allowed but, since there isn't any limit on wording for adverts on this particular site, it's always worth considering expanding the descriptive element with some/yet more encouraging words for potential purchasers*.

(*As opposed to men of straw like me, only trying to be supportive by pointing out what a very nice example of an extremely rare Lancia it is....)

Thank you Michael, comments appreciated.

Are there any contemporary road tests in the library you could quote from?  From the "Honest John Classic Review" there's:

"the top of the range 2000 Turbo was an Integrale in all but name (the Europeans were treated to a 4x4 Integrale badged version, too). This earned some kudos for being a very capable Q-car with a dash of panache"

" it was refined, rode well, and had a beautiful interior"


Perhaps add some facts and figures to compare with the Delta Integrales?

I got to page four of google without learning much so the casual browser is going to need some help...  Trying to think who might be a customer there are many out there who like something unusual in show condition, but they need to be reassured that its not going to be a lot of trouble and that they can get problems fixed.  The other "obvious customer" is Delta Integrale fan who missed the boat, or had one "back in the day".  I think anyone with an Integrale already looking for a more civilised car or a q-car to share its garage will have a 4wd Golf or something, and perhaps be looking for a Fulvia HF.  They might have been a customer in 1991 but less likely now.

Another thought is to place it with a dealer and leave them to write the advert.

In terms of the "easy to look after" message say where you got the work done?   That also gives a potential buyer the opportunity to phone them for a 3rd party take on its condition.  The other "if it was me" thought would be reassurance that it shares a lot of parts with "ordinary" Integrales.

Chris have you the ghosted drawing of the Dedra integrale? which would be a good illustration of what the car is
Also worth pointing out it shares many parts with the rest of the Dedra Family, such as electrics, body parts etc.
I see honest John made the usual mistake of spelling integrale with a capital 'I' of those not in the know!
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Is "Integrale" ever correct (perhaps in a Delta context) or is it always "integrale"?

Thanks again guys, useful info.

Chris,

Does your Dedra have aircon?

One last try on our Forum, afterall it did win a concours plaque at the AGM.  As suggested by some of the regular Forum contributors, although it is a "modernish" car (only 25 years old) maintenance is possible due to it being so closely aligned to the Delta Integrale Evos and the Mk2 Delta.  The work I have had done was by Auto Integrale near Reading but there are a number of other Delta specialists around the country who would find no difficulty in looking after it if you don't do your own maintenance.  I can email a detailed service history since I bought it along with some information prior to that and although it had an MOT recently, I would be more than happy to have the garage of your choice do it again as a condition of sale.
Think about it, a 4WD car which drives as well as a Delta in a more modern stronger better protected body at a fraction of the cost of an Evo. Yes it may never increase in value like the Deltas but do you want your Lancia to be a afraid to use collectors piece or a car you can enjoy driving every day if you want to without worrying.
If this nudge does not work, then I will probably put it on an auction site.

Have you tried this site? sold my Velocette on there and its free, I have my Appia on there, had a few enquirers, but nobody serious, https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/ good luck

Just to close this sale off, the well known young Bristolian Richard Carr has bought my Dedra, so it is going to a good home - once he moves those Alfas on!

Brilliant Chris,
She couldn't go to a better owner, Richard must be missing 'POO' his integrale Evo 1 that's been off the road a long time.  :D
Brian
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