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Hi Guys,
This is probably something that’s been discussed in the past so apologies if it is, but using up my spare time to look for parts for my cars (2x GTEs) I’ve turned my attention to the vehicle supplied tool kit. Of course as we know with even modern cars it’s very annoying to buy a second hand car and find out a previous owner has lost the tool kit or one or two bits from it, but with a 50 yr old car it’s very difficult to replace.
Well one of my cars has the original tool kit and because I’m not where the car is I can’t say exactly what I’ve got. Also and this is the point of the post, I don’t really know what I should have so does anyone know exactly what a series 1 Fulvia tool kit should consist of? Photos would be appreciated.
Stay Safe
Tom

Hi Tom,  I’ll send you a page from the 1970 parts book that help you solve what may be missing.

Brian’s 2c might have a better view of the standard Lancia tool inventory for a GTE.

Neil

Thanks Neil,
I think I’m having trouble with PMs as well. I’ll have a better look through that list. Yes I’m hoping Brian will reply and also the blue RHD GT that Chris bought from Portugal and sold to Simon is likely to have a very good tool kit.

I’m trying to attach your information here for others.

Cheers
Tom

I am sure some of those tools are optional. I personally have never seen 10 15 4

Hi Neil and Tim thanks for that.

Neil do you have a parts list to match the number on the drawing from the parts book?

I’m also almost sure I don’t have all those parts even in the car that has the tool box but I need to check when I get home.

I think the jack is supposed to be a Battaini, like this but it’s common with Ferrari’s so they fetch stupid money.

So as I said I’ve been buying spanners...gone a bit mad with it really but I’ve got a 10x8 (part numbered 2284723)and an 11x9 (part numbered 2186271) and a number of 17 x13 (no stamped number) and I’m now wondering if 17x13 is a Fulvia spanner size at all. I’ve not seen for sale yet a 13x14 or a 17x19.

I’ve pulled some photos off the internet so I’ll try to match up those parts in the diagram to a real thing if I can find a match.
Cheers
Tom

The spanners 8x10, 9x11, 13x14 and 17x19..... There are no part numbers listed for these in S1 parts book I have but they are 2284723, 2186271, 2186272, 2284722 respectively from my S2 parts book ....

I've only ever seen the tappet tool once in the flesh and would love to find one ....

The 17x19's come up for sale quite often if you follow eBay.

I wonder if the jack varied between models or between series as the one I have pictured is slightly different. Also did Fulvias have a grease gun as some other models had at about that time?

Looked in my 2c handbook, although it lists them slightly different order, they are the same as those shown in the handbook previously.

My jack is the same as shown in Frank's photo and I have never seen the one shown in the illustration, and suspect if it ever was used, it was only used for the Normale.
 
My handbook lists that the
Valve clearance adjusting spanner and feeler gauge, lever for replacing the brake friction pads. We're optional, and that I've never seen.

Never seen any mention of a grease gun as Frank queried might be the case.
 
"Fay" never came with any tools, and most of what I have came courtesy of my good friend Alan Cooper.
I don't have either screwdrivers, pliers, screws for fitting the seat belts, (not surprising).

I also don't know why previous owners of any car feel the need to keep the tools that should stay with the vehicle.

My 1969 Rallye Coupe that i bought from Michael Newberry back about 1997 never had any tools, so it had a scratch set of tools from my tool box.
Brian
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So hear goes.
1. Tommy bar.
I have a couple of photos showing that. Not pointed which it is in the diagram. See first photo below.

2. Tool box. I have a few photos of this as typical example shown below.

Hi guys, sorry I’m making a meal out of this and you have all sent great information whilst I’m struggling to cope with the limitations of the attachment size.

I’ll carry on

3. Flat bladed screwdriver and 4. Phillips screwdriver
This is I think the most problematic item(s) to identify as original as the quality is not good and they were often missing or replaced. I have same experience of this with my Alfa Romeo 2000GTV.
I’m attaching one photo anyway but other than the fact that the handles look typical it’s not possible to say that these are original screwdrivers. I don’t think the longer one should be there anyway so it suggests to me that they are not original.

Carrying blindly on....
5. Not shown very well in the sketch but I’m sure this is the long box spanner or spark plug spanner. See photo attached.
6, 7, 11 & 12 are the open-ended spanners. Consensus now that 6 is 9 x11, 7 is 13x14, 11 is 8x10 and 12 is 17x19... the best photo we have is the one posted by Frank or the attached photo below that Neil sent of his set for his Series 2 coupe.

And again...
8. Ratchet for the jack and wheel nut (or bolt) socket. Also shown clearly in Frank’s great photos and also shown in the photo below. Note that it should be blue and the end lever, presumably for levering off hub caps is original. You see alternatives without that but I think the series 1 cars should be that version. I also think that the ratchet, jack and wheel nut/bolt socket are a set being made by Battaini.
9. Wheel nut/bolt socket as mentioned above and already shown in a few of the photos. I wondered what the disc on the shaft is for. Any thoughts?
Tom

10. Tappet pin key. I thought we might all go to our grave never having seen one of these but two minutes on eBay revealed this photo below.
Actually I found more than one size, 12mm or 14mm lock nuts. Yours for only £85 incl P&P from Italy for the man who has everything. Which expert can tell me if the Fulvia tappet lock nuts are 12mm or 14mm?

Cheers

Tom

Unfortunately they are 10mm >:(

Saved us £85. 😂

13. Pliers. Well we all know what pliers look like but it’s worth pointing out that the correct pliers should have engraved grips on the handles.
The photo below here are of Neil’s pliers.
The photo of the very bright pliers are from a Lancia Beta tool kit and show those grips more clearly.

14. Jack.
The sketch shows a Battaini jack like the one shown below.
If I had one of these I would be considering selling it because it is apparently common with some very exotic machinery like a Ferrari Daytona if the parts suppliers ads are to be believed.
Neil’s suggestion that that particular style of Jack was replaced for later series of Fulvia by the second one, which is Neil’s own.
15. Feeler gauge or Tappet probe as google translate tells me.
I can’t find a photo of a Lancia Feeler gauge and even I’m not nerdy enough to worry about having one.
Thanks for everyone’s input.
Tom

The large plastic disc on the wheel bolt socket is presumably so you can unscrew the bolts quickly after loosening with the ratchet and when replacing the bolts before tightening.

Peter

In any case, difficult to use on the exhaust tappet of cilinder#4. Worth looking for a similar tool which was commonly used on the old Fiat 500, Andrea

The quality changed over the years as well, here are 2 Fulvia 17x19 spanners (nb refs are different) - one is much better quality, better , heavier forging

I have some very nice, wooden handled Facom screwdrivers in my toolkit, they look the part, are very well made and aren't expensive £8-10 each), you could even remove the writing to make them more authentic !!

I would think the obvious difference between the two jacks is how they fit into the jacking point, one looking like it needs a locating slot in order to be secure.

I have a 10mm tappet key which was made by Don Cross for the Appia brigade. Its really useful on Aurelias. And as Simon says, the FACOM screwdrivers are lovely and will surely outlast me!
I was lucky enough to have a couple of  new Fulvia Coupes (S2 & S3) back in the day and never saw either a set of feelers or a tappet tool in the toll kits. Neither did our GTE or Simons GT have these and both of these cars had their original untouched toolkits.
Chris

I have noticed all the tool boxes examples that have been put up here are the ones with the angled/tapered ends, not the square ended box as shown on the parts box page earlier, also attached the parts listing from the 1970 book for reference.

I think these tools are either Flavia or early Series 1 Fulvia, but most of the numbers seem to line up with S2 as well. I was planning to put them on eBay, but let me offer them here first. On eBay I was thinking of offering the set of four for a buy-it-now price of £40 plus £3 p&p, but don’t let that put you off!. The screwdriver is cross-point.

Colin

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/192888006398

Is this what you are looking for? 10mm

 Valve Adjustment Wrench 10 MM Tool kit Ferrari Maserati Alfa Romeo Fiat Lancia (http://Valve Adjustment Wrench 10 MM Tool kit Ferrari Maserati Alfa Romeo Fiat Lancia)

Is this what you are looking for? 10mm

Hi Guys, good to see this topic has generated a good bit of interest.
I should have opened this up before buying a heap of 17 x 13 Lancia spanners. As someone already mentioned there are a number of them out there for sale, later to be supplemented by the four I bought in my frenzy.
I’ve now picked up a few more actual Fulvia spanners but I don’t know what I already have in the two GTEs and I’ll check that out when I can get home.

Neil, the list actually list the two boxes separately, 2186228 for the Berlina (or Berline) which is presumably the square one and 2140448 which is for the Coupe, HF and Sport/Zagato and is presumable version with the angled ends.

For my car that has a tool box, it is definitely a square ended one so if no one else does I’ll post a photo of that when I can.

Simon as the new owner of Chris’s series 1 GT could you post a photo of that untouched tool set Chris referred to...or maybe you also are not where the car is.
Cheers Tom

Am I allowed to quote myself? Let’s hope this temperamental system allows it.
Anyway on the Jack I’ve been looking online again and once my eyes stopped watering at the asking prices I found that the jack with the large flat top like in the sketch, has the matching part number from the parts list, which is 2187393.

My last post on this topic for tonight.
So there is a bit of additional info in the parts list that Neil provided.

We have already heard that the feeler gauge and tappet key were optional...it seems for all models and I’ve already mentioned about the different tool boxes and the two different part numbers for the tappet key.

It also looks like there is a bag for the jack which it sort of indicates is for the Sport only. I guess that might make sense given that the Sport models don’t have a normal boot like the Berlina or Coupe.

Also it states that the ‘complete’ tool set withe the requisite box consists of items 1,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,11,12,&13. Of course all cars would get a jack as well. However the ‘complete’ set was different for the Berlina (part 1890638) coupe and Sport (1890730) and HF (1891561). Obviously the Berlina was different on account of the tool box shape but no more indication on why the HF tool box differed. No additional parts anyway.
The only other point to mention is that the tommy bar, the screwdrivers and the 4 spanners and the pliers were apparently available to be purchased from the market or I guess the parts department of the dealer. See sub note A on the list. Not sure what that meant because they were included in the complete set. Maybe everything else was not available as a separate part across the counter but that doesn’t make much sense.

Anyway that’s all for now folks

Tom

Looks like a bycycle spanner in 2nd photo?
Brian
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Morning guys well this subject still has legs.
I wanted to share with you a few other items.
Firstly Vince sent me a photo of his tool set. See attached.
This is in great condition. Even better is the jack in Vince’s GTE.
Note the pointed tommy bar as in the sketch. Does this mean the other tommy bars are not correct. Probably means only the Series 1 cars had the pointed tommy bar.

On another matter I’m guessing one of us bought that 10mm tappet key from Italy. I know it was sold because I got offered a reduced price of €30 from the vendor on eBay but I was too late. So own up!

Stay Safe

Another couple of points from me on the Battaini jacks.
I’ve now bought a couple that were for sale on eBay by the same vendor selling the tappet key. Saved a bit by getting an offer accepted and also combining postage costs. That’s what made me rethink on the tappet key as I wouldn’t have had to pay postage on top but no matter.
One of the jacks is the actual one with photos above, so the series 1 style, and the other is as shown below which I’m now assuming is a series 2 jack...I bought it as much for the wrench as the jack itself so in future I may sell the jack on. Note the wheel bolt socket is missing the plastic disc which is a pain.
And one last piece of info is that if you have a Battaini jack and want to tart it up then the stickers are available. Probably reproductions but look ok and cheap...even if you have a Daytona....

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/323914630976

Tom

Can anybody kindly help with providing a list and a photograph of the tools that would have supplied with my late-ish Series 3 car chassis number 818 631 079722?

Many thanks.

Martin

This is snapshot of a Fulvia3 handbook that lists the items, however the feeler gauges may be not present or optional

Photo of typical Fulvia S2 tools

Back in the day I had a brand new Fulvia 3 from Tony Brooks Ltd, Weybridge and I am certain there wasn't a valve clearance tool or feelers in the toolkit.
Chris

Thank you for your responses, but what I have is different from what's been shown - see attached pic.

The tools across the top are a rubber lined plug spanner with an articulated head which is driven by the long tube next to it and the tommy bar. Another example is the 17 spanner which is coupled with 13 and not  19. All the tools are brightly finished in what I take to be a trad cadmium plating.

Any further thoughts anybody?

M

I have a spare pair of pliers that I could be persuaded to part with for a decent offer.
These are now spoken for They are not as gold as in the photo, but the correct grey Fulvia colour

You have possibly some Beta tools in that array of tools.

Yes all the ‘golden’ cadmium plated tools are certainly from a Beta and so is the reversible screwdriver with the plastic handle. The early Beta tool kits had a wooden handled reversible screwdriver.
Martin I’m afraid only your ratchet is an original Fulvia part....and so is the separate pliers in the photo by SP. (sorry don’t know your real name.

Martin if you want to sell your ratchet it would look great in one of my cars...lol..what jack do you have?

Tom

Sorry confused post. I meant the pliers shown separately are from a Beta tool kit.

See very nice (in fact boxed and unused) Beta tool set below.

Tom

Thank you Neil & TSB GTE. I was beginning to suspect that the majority of the tools did not belong to the car.

But I do have the Battaini jack so the ratchet handle does have its partner.

Martin

Hi Martin,
Never fear, it gives you a new quest in life like me. 😁 Do you have the plastic box?
Which version of the jack do you have? With the large top or the small top? (Very technical).
Cheers Tom

Hello Tom,

The small top and I've just given it a 5000 mile service and all is well.

I've gone mad and blown £3.50 on 6 Battaini labels, as was suggested in this Forum, because mine is absent leaving a sticky mess of just the right size in the right place.

Lockdown does bring forward stuff that one might never have got round to!

M

Hi again Tom,

Yes, I do have the plastic tool box, now filled with Beta tools.

M

Yes those labels are the cheapest thing you will find on eBay related to a Lancia. I came across those on some eBay shop after searching for Battaini and after viewing jacks at over €1,000...
Yes it seems you have the correct jack for a later car and the wrench to go with it. So that’s a blessing. I’m not sure if your wheel nut/bolt socket is original, maybe too long and doesn’t have the disc, but it’s the right thing for the ratchet and good for the job. All you need to do is find the rest of the kit.

Sorry gents I'm getting confused with all the talk of what tools go with which series of Fulvia.
Can which just clarify which jack is which, is the Battaini jack the one with the short pad, or the long one with the lip?
To be honest I'm just glad to have been able to put together a tool kit and jack, from whatever series, as I had no tools whatsoever when I found her.
Brian
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Ah yes sorry Brian it is confusing. Both types of Jack that we’ve been discussing are made by Battaini. So we think that the one with the long top or lip as you say is for a series 1 Fulvia because it looks like the one in the sketch and that is what Vince has for his GTE, and by definition all GTEs are late model series 1 Berlinas.
The one with the short top seems to be more associated with later cars so it seems to be a reasonable assumption that series 2 and 3 Fulvias have that as original. I guess we can’t assume that as gospel though but it seems to fit.

Just to add a bit more confusion, Betas came with 2 types of tool kits. The most common was the rigid plastic one shown in one of the posts above and a different jack but the Spyder came with the same ‘bag’ as the Fulvia ones shown above also and had most of the tools shown in the diagram also in a recent post. It also came with the same jack as above.

Peter

Thanks for that, so it looks like I have the wrong jack, which isn't surprising.
I'll have a look in the series 1 workshop manual as I think I might have seen a picture of a jack being used.
Brian
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The jack for my berlina GT is the short top and I've no reason to think that it wasn't the original fitment

The last few GTEs were sold in late 69 and early 70 alongside with the S2 4-speed berlinas. Difficult to say what kind of tool kit they had, Andrea

Simon does your GT have a full set of the other tools? Any chance of a photo?

Cheers

Tom

What would be good to see is if more Series 1 cars had the long too Battaini jack..particularly Series 1 Coupes and Sports. I don’t imagine though that we will ever nail this as a definite rule.

stay Safe

Tom

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The jack in my S1 Coupe:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49787682496_789c54660a_c.jpg)

Last night I spotted an inconsistency between the tool kit sketch and the parts list that we’ve been referring to here.
The sketch has parts 15 and 16, whereas the list stops at 15. In the list, part 15 is the jack, but on the sketch the jack is part 16. Sorry I missed that before.
And on the sketch, part 15 which we don’t have a description or name for looks like this.
What I believe it to be is a folding wheel chock which I’m sure I’ve seen for other car models. I’ll try and find a photo.
Tom

Amazing condition and I love the old spare tyre.
Tom

Seems to have been repainted?? You can get new X tyres (Longstone with club discount)

https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/michelin-classic-tyres/x/155tr14-michelin-x.html

Not cheap though

From my GT

I will have to get some of the stickers, mine's missing !

I have a couple of extras, the 22x 19 plus an odd imperial spanner that I believe (Tim does anyway ....) comes from an injected Flavia 5/8 x 9/16

The screwdriver is a double-ender ie pulls out and flips between philips and flat

That’s a great set Simon. No idea why the jack is short top but it does look as if it would be original. Note the pointed tommy bar same as on Vince’s GTE.
I think the reversible screwdriver is not original Fulvia..maybe early Beta tool. The long flatbladed screwdriver certainly has all the signs, shape etc of being original but just not sure if it should be long shafted. 90915629883

Another Beta tool set with the same reversible screwdriver.
Tom

And with the photo

This is the kind of thing I meant about the wheel chock. This is from a Merc and not found a Lancia version.
Tom

Hi Guys, I’m now where my two GTEs are so I was able to find out what I actually have myself on tool kits. Well as I thought the Avorio car has nothing of the tool kit and has a modern scissor jack and no wheel brace.
The Bianco Saratoga car though as I knew gas the box ended tool box, the long top Battaini jack with the ratchet wrench and wheel bolt socket, the four spanners and the original pliers. No spark plug box spanner, tommy bar or screwdrivers though. A few photos to follow. First the spanners and pliers.

Those spanners and pliers are a bit oxidised and the nickel plating is not great but I doubt if any of the tools have been used.

No a photo of the tool box.

And another. As you see the tool box is in extremely good condition for its age. No tears and only a bit of corrosion on the buckle.

The jack also looks to be in great condition. I really doubt it has been used in anger. It kind of looks like it has been repainted but then the old bit of sticker glue where the sticker had been had no paint on it...like Simon’s jack in that respect, so it’s just possible that it is untouched.
A few photos to follow including one with the new sticker. I deliberately put the new sticker on off centre to match where the old one had been. How’s that for originality?

and another.

And with the new sticker.

One more thing to add on the list of tools is that there are two different spark plug box spanners. Part number 1820475 for the HF, and 1813295 for other models.
Perhaps one of our technical experts could advise if the HF has spark plugs of a different AF dimension.

Tom,
I sent you an email re door trim pad.
Brian
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