Lancia Motor Club

Another question for you all .....

The 1st series Appia that we are working on doesn't have an oil filter fitted, it is blanked off where the mount is normally found - it looks original and properly done - not just a piece of metal bolted on !

Can anyone confirm that this was "normal" and second can you retro-fit an oil filter set up ? I have the bits ......

Thanks

My early car does not have an external filter, nor any facility for fitting one; just an internal gauze filter in the sump.

Thanks Mike, I'll try and take a photo for comparison - do you not have a blanking plate ?

The oil filter mounting is a direct fit when you take the blanking plate off...not sure about the stud length as the oil filter housing is fairly thick...the Consortium has the parts to convert your S1 engine. You might need a different oil feed pipe for the pressure gauge.
Clarkey

As far as I can see I've no blanking plate - whereabouts should I be looking?

Here are some lubrication charts for S1 & S2 Appias - they seem quite different - but to answer your question , the filter is by the petrol pump

Unfortunately the only S1 engine that I have spare already has a filter, so I can't verify the differences easily.

This is when we realise what, and whom, we have lost ---- Don with his enormous depth of knowledge would have known in an instant !!

That's sort of where I was looking - no blanking plate at all:

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the oil filter mounting is below the fuel pump mounting studs

Hi, when we rebuilt my series 1 we removed the blanking plate

And fitted the later canister type , you may need the pipe but I can,t remember.

No problem with the oil pressure gauge. Dave

Not on mine!

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I stand corrected...perhaps I could interest you in a later crankcase?
Clarkey

Thanks, Jim, but having spent a fortune rebuilding this engine, I'm not looking for more work!

Here we go - Lancia through the ages .... I wonder at what point they changed the crankcase ? My 1st ser engine from a commercial has the filter

Perhaps all the worn out early S1 cars persuaded them to fix the problem...strange they were still selling them with the blanking plate and the crankcase cast to take the filter but no filter.
Clarkey

Did they add the filter when they changed to thin-wall shell-bearings?

Good idea. A look through s.1 parts book (1953) shows no mention of a filter.

I believe the filter was routinely fitted after the first 10,000 S1 engines. I have seen S1 engines with factory fitted filters, Andrea

Went back to the Lancia bible, 2nd edition, Wim Oude Weerninck (page 171):

....During a three-lifespan the 1st series was changed in many respects. After a few thousand engines had been produced the gauze oil filter was replaced by a full-flow filter..... Approximately 20,000 of the Appia 1st series were made before the introduction of a 2nd series.

So the 1st series parts book (1953) mentionned by GG must be a very early one. A later one should mention the car number at which the change took place.

All of the engines I have seen have the gauze filter in the sump as well as a cartridge filter in the orange canister.
Clarkey