Lancia Motor Club

Looks very original. Do any forum members know the car?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370419902210&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370419902210&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)
(http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/7/4/2/2/0/4/webimg/397926529_o.jpg)

Looks as those it's just come out from hibernation somewhere on the Continent, lovely time warp Aurelia.

Brian
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I have asked contacts in Belgium if they know the car. Will post any reply. The lack of documents is a worry!

I cant help but be suspicious when there are no documents or recent history. Or am I just being cynical?Also the Chassis number is not shown in the photos as far as I can see. Also a little worrying when there are no papers. From what I can remember, Belgium's paperwork and registering requirements for old cars is pretty rigorous so again why no papers?
The price seems quite low (at the moment) and I would have thought that one of the active Belgian Lancia members would have some previous knowledge of this car.

Wouldn't it be great if the International Collective of Clubs or whatever it's called had a register of cars that were stolen...  We'd know in a couple of clicks, and they'd know we'd know in a couple of clicks.

Odds are its been well stored the last 20, 30, 40 years and the papers have not.  The Strada Abarth I was given had only been put away for a couple of years, less than five, but it took him three years more for the papers to surface.  A house move wasn't enough for them to surface, a sort through before moving abroad and he found them.

All the same the vendor could be more reassuring...  Its human nature to want the back-story.

David

Nice car but I wonder if i'ts all that honest, there seems to be a lot of prep work carried out underneath, the tank has been sprayed with schults, I wonder what that's hiding ?. I'd say its been in storage for a long time but judging by the state of the door cards it must have been fairly damp. Still a nice project if you get it at the right money  :)

So the seller (actually, it seems, the seller's agent) has responded to several questions on the ebay listing page.

The car is a B21, and the chassis number is B21-3532

On ownership and title, the replies are still a bit hazy, to my way of reading anyway.  The line is that there are no papers because the car was bought with several others.  I don't have to point out the flawed logic in this excuse to educated readers from the LMC...

Whatever the real story, I'm very tempted to take a ride up to North London to have a close look at the car; not with a view to purchasing it but to take some notes for my B10 restoration.  If anyone wants a report on the car (as a potential buyer), then PM me.

amazing stuff, can anyone guess the the selling price from the pictures so far.11,000 sterling?- or is that B20 in berkshire a better bet?

There certainly seem to be some question marks about this car and its lack of history!  One interesting feature is that it has been fitted with a second series 2000cc  B20 engine (Two single Webber carbs and 3 rocker cover bolts) so would be 80 bhp as opposed to the original engines 70 bhp. It is a pity it has had underseal sprayed all over the underside, this only leads one to think it is a cover-up job!
As to your question Richard to which would be the safer bet this or Richard Thornes B20. I would have thought that the B21 Saloon could be on the road with a good going over, new brakes and clutch, so for say £3-4,000, then you would have a car worth about £25,000. The B20 would cost between £30-40,000 to restore and you would have a car worth £70-80,000.  Obviously the B20 is the better financial bet, but would also take a lot longer to do, and the whole project would take much more time plus financial comitment.

It sold for £11,202

Good guess Mr Fridd !!!

David

Yes but to who? My money is on Cristo!

Tim

hope to see it sometime.the price is right!

I'd like to know if the auction winner had inspected the car before bidding.

Hi Tim you are right the car has made its way to me 3 months after it was on e-bay.

I need some help from anyone who can help.
I have done all the mechanical work on the car bar waiting for a new alternator  from Peter Harding  and a intermitted starter its running very well.
However the body   seemed very fine and not too rusty but I have taken the wings of today to fix hanging front doors but have open Pandora’s box the A posts are very bad.
All the bottom section though very original and un-welded are rotten and there’s a  few big holes leaving it very open to how  or what was in there.
I have a very skilled man working on the metal work but I need some sort of diagram or pictures to see what the A-frames and bottom sections should look like as there is not enough metal left to use as templates to replicate new parts
All help would be appreciated
Christo

Would like to now their was some post regarding the engine in this car can someone confirm if this was a b20 80 bhp engine.

It passed its mot yesterday
picture of it attached with new paint and interior

Nice to see it. What is the colour??

Wonderful news Appiaman...did you ever get diagrams of the A puillar areas to replace the metalwork? Have you any photos of work as you went along?

Is it the same as the B12 in this aspect or B10?

Thanks,


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Hi Tim the colour is Drap green m calls it army staff car.
Hi William no we made the panels of pictures and diagrams and some paneling left from one side will look for the picture. And post
Pretty sure they are the same. One big bit of advise though make it in sections as you might get strong corners and then the doors don't fit.  My metal guy spend weeks getting door gaps right.

Hi Christo, with reference to the engine do you have a picture and what is the engine number, then I can probably identify which engine your car has.
The colour really suits the car.
Ade.

Not Christo here, but I do have the engine number... I inspected the car while it was on eBay.

(http://aureliareport.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/imag0243.jpg?w=614&h=368)

I assume the engine hasn't been changed.  It was running really well when I looked at the car.

The report I wrote for a potential buyer is linked to below, in case anyone is interested to see it - should give an idea of the labours and expense that Christo must have been through.  Bravo!  It only took him 2 years too; I wish my Aurelia projects were moving with such admirable velocity.

http://aureliareport.wordpress.com/2010/08/17/aurelia-b21-3532-17th-august-2010/ (http://aureliareport.wordpress.com/2010/08/17/aurelia-b21-3532-17th-august-2010/)

And here's a link to a short video of the engine running.
https://vimeo.com/14221781 (https://vimeo.com/14221781)

Thanks for the photo William, but I don't think it makes it any clearer as it looks as if the engine number has been over stamped.
Looking at your video you can clearly see that the heads have the scewed valve gear as the rocker covers have the cut outs above the spark plugs. It also has twin carbs. This leads me to think that it has a 2nd series 2000cc B20 engine, unless the heads have just been changed (Not sure if this is possible). One possible explanation for this could be that the change of engine would have been a notifyable modification on the cars paperwork and to save this trouble in the past the engine has just been stamped with the cars original engine number. You would need to check the factory records to see what the original number was.

William, that is an excellent report you wrote. It uncovered the major problem of that car, a badly done coverup job, to hide all the defects on the body. There is in my view no alternative for any purchase, to a good, well documented inspection done by one or two specialists (body and mechanics)! Anything else is a gamble, and it can involve a lot of money! Still, that type of gamble is to me more fun than a visit at a casino!

Appiaman, congratulations on having made the deal, and having saved another berlina. They are such nice cars to use, and with the fitted B20 S2 motor you will have a lot of pleasure. Driving those early berlinas with the IRS is a completely different experience from driving a B12 with the later De Dion rear suspension!

I would love seing some pictures of the interior, which no doubt you must have had redone completely!

Hi guyz
Thanks for the replies. The engine number is still like it was when William saw it, but according to the papers I have its been like that since the early 1970'S.
I have only done about 10 miles now in the car it has plenty small issues to sort out still.
One  thing i do have a problem with is one bank runs better than the other half but I am suspecting one set of point are burnt and the other are okay, any advise on that would be great too.
Restoring this car was a huge job and  I must admit my metal guy had plenty days were I think he was keen to tell me to take the car and just go as it was very complex to get the doors to fit really well again.
Money wise it has taken a load of money £30000 in invoices I have added up so far thats excluding money for my own time.
Attached is a few more pics of inside.

Each photo nicer than the last.....looking sublime, looking forward to seeing it in the flesh sometime!


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Well done Christo. I love the colour and the Aurelia Sedans are very good to drive although, as you have found out (!), the Sedan bodies can be very expensive to repair properly if there is major corrosion due to their complexity. And great to see another sedan on the road in the UK.
With your rough running engine, if the problem is just with one bank of cylinders you will almost certainly find the problem is in the distributor. I normally run the 'inner link' round the outside of the distributor which, whilst not as tidy, allows me to know that there is no earthing going on. But before doing this, double check that the carb for that bank is working properly of course.
I look forward very much to seeing your car in the not too distant future.
Chris

Appiaman, you have a beautiful flat Nardi steering wheel on your B21 (that compliments the beautiful interior). I assume that the original white plastic wheel was too far gone to be used. If you wish to buy a new one, check:
http://www.aurelia-b22.com/20.html
I have seen the first one at the LCF meeting in St Etienne, and it is incredible work: basically the complete steering wheel is remanufactured, including steel innards, horn ring, and logo. It is undistinguishable from an original wheel.
The reward of a true passion!

Jean-Marie did a fantastic job as regards the re-made steering wheels, great to see...he has some for sale I believe


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I think you've got my dream car there.  Great colours.  As with your Appias you can see the love in it.  Any big trips planned or still at the stage of taking it a step at a time?

David

Just had a look at all the other restoration work he's carried out, impressive!

Brian
8227 8)

Christo,

Lovely photos, I look forward to seeing the car in person (again) some time.

While we're on the subject of Aurelia steering wheels, can I ask you if you know of somewhere I could buy a horn button like the one on your lovely flat Nardi?

Rough running.  I've just (after a trail of false leads that included a recored radiator, new electric fuel pump, new ignition leads...) managed to sort the  bad behaviour of my S6 B20, which when hot, would start to run rough, then refuse to restart until it had cooled down.  I swapped a spare distributor in at the weekend and Bingo! the problem has gone.  I'm pretty sure that the internal wire that Chris referred to was at fault - the insulation strip between it and the body of the distributor increasingly acting as a conductor as things warmed up.

Hi Sebastian thanks for the steering wheel link I will def buy one if the price is not too mad.
The car is now in storage however its got to do to the DVLA soon so will tackle that distributor.
I thought it was ignition the carbs are clean and it runs very well when cold but then start with its fun backfiring even as if the timing is out.
I had a flamina gtl which caught fire 3 times on me ....
The Nardi thats currently on the car is my Lancia appia steering wheel I have put a standard one back. I bought the steering wheel in 1992 so not sure were one would get a similar one now days.
was hoping to have the car ready for AGM this year but commitments stopped it from happening.

Think you'll be giving this steering wheel a miss AM!

http://www.subito.it/accessori-auto/volante-lancia-aurelia-frosinone-50127823.htm

P

Car is finally now on the road with age related number plate 658 YUN

Excellent Cristo....happy days ahead......please see my pm to you


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