Lancia Motor Club

Back to thinking of wanting a PF Coupe. Have seen these 2 on an Italian website.

Can anyone who knows these things take a look at the photos of the rear, at the valance under the bumper. One looks "remade" and the other has an arch in it. Which is correct - if either.

Any other comments from Flaminia experts/enthusiasts?

I realise Richard Thorne is selling the blue one - again - but the thinking is one from Italy has to have a better chance of being rust free?

Many thanks
Lindsay

http://www.subito.it/auto/lancia-flaminia-coupe-pininfarina-torino-15707080.htm?last=1

http://www.subito.it/auto/lancia-flaminia-2-8-coupe-pininfarina-udine-16734896.htm

I think the correct rear valance is the second one, on the Flaminia Coupe the exhausts should both exit on the right hand side, it looks as if on the first car it has had an exhaust coming out of the center which has subsequently been changed for the correct side exit.
It does look as if on the second car the rear valance has been bent at some stage!
The car for sale at R. Thorne has incorrect exhausts on it, probably Touring or Zagato, as these are available, although they do look better than the side exiting ones!
There are quite a few Flaminia Coupes for sale, there is a nice looking one for sale in Australia, although the Chassis number is a LHD one and the car is RHD, so possibly a converted car. If you can find a good one go for the larger more powerful 2.8 engine.

This one looks nice, http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C177560/
and this is the link for the Australian one, http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C197063/
and another, http://www.hi-think.it/luzzago/hipgscheda.php?HIGNIdAuto=10137
Good Luck.

Oz one looks nice but no way of getting a look at it in the flesh.
The blue one I have enquired about and the bloke wants 45k euros for it so that's a no no! Other one I did see but not sure about the interior. No rush so will keep a tab on what is going on and something right will come up.

I have had some information about one of the ones you were interested in from a contact in Turin, this is what he says:-

I know the white Flaminia in Moncalieri (TO), this is a good car, the owner is a Lancia club member. Unfortunately, the new upholstery is completely wrong. He had the same problem that  my friends had with the red Connolly. At least, he choose a wrong leather as you can see. It's a shame, but the price is good for me, because the standard price for a Pf Flaminia is nearly 20.000euro in Italy actually. By the way, the blue 2800, actually in USA, was in Pistoia in 2008 at 12.000euro. The dark grey car at Luzzago seems to be a good car, but needs new woolen carpets and new upholstery, the front seats are too cracked for a grease only. The price for these works is nearly 10.000euro in Italy, definitevely 18.000euro for this car are too much, i think.

Hope this information helps. Ade.

Hi Ade, very helpful indeed. I did think the upholstery was wrong on the white 2.5. A shame really. Would be nice to have a good original interior but everyone wants that. The cost of new carpets and seats seems horrendous - defintely too much to take on, although I suspect if a non original look was acceptable the price would be somewhat less.
Very interesting regarding that Blue car in the USA. Some profit if he gets close to his asking price.

Have looked at the exchange rate possibilities and £13k for 15k euros seems to be about the best. I wonder whether to wait for the euro to crash and could get a proper bargain!!

thanks for your help.
Lindsay

Here's another - no price quoted - unusual colour, and the leather doesn't look right to me, though the ad claims it is original...

http://www.finecars.cc/en/detail/car/111570/index.html

Thanks for that. Interesting colour scheme! I don't know if the interior is original either. I am ripe for the taking!

I love the colour scheme, really sits well on the car, all I need is money ::)

Brian
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You like Brian?  I'll let you know how much it is! I have the means, well if you discount paying the mortgage. Other half is highly unimpressed however....

Just had a mail back from the vendor. 25000 euros for this one, which is on the high side, compared to some of the Italian cars.

Lindsay,
Very nice though :D

Brian
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Sorry but I hate the colour scheme on this one, the blue is non original, too light, the seats look OK in black, but why the red carpets?? looks like a real miss-match.  I know the Luzzago one is expensive but it is much more original and I am sure you could restore the interior, it looks better than the interior of my B50 before I restored it.

It looks as if the red carpets and black seats could be an original colour combination, I had an email from Steve Katzman in the States with some photos of his car. It looks much better with dark blue paintwork though.

Funny enough the seats look better for having had a bit of wear, not so stark.

Brian
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Anyone know much about the one Richard Thorne is listing?

David

Only that he has owned it himself, as have Omicron (according to R Thorne). Omicron rebuilt the engine. Paintwork good but not excellent apparently, interior has plenty of "patina".

To me, overpriced - especially compared to some of the Italian cars. Of course, factor in the cost of getting one back from Italy and much the same really.

hi David,i had a look at the RTCC car 2? years ago when i was down that way.paintwork may not be excellent now but there again one with excellent paint now may not be so excellent in the near future -a gamble sometimes unless oneself sees the prep first hand to state the obvious.anyhow right hand drive and the colour of the body and general condition would have seen it in my garage if i had the space and contingency funds for the unforseen.the interior is patinated-but thats to be expected with a 40+ car with light coloured leather seats i suppose.black leather would be my choice.price-there cant be many 6 cylinder GTs of this type/era available for much less money and i would prefer to buy something locally unless i was very sure of a further afield cars condition as i am not very familiar with buying abroad and would prefer to spend the budget on the car rather than use it for travel/import costs.each trip abroad would represent a percentage of the car to be eventually bought.after all if one made 15 journeys to inspect cars further afield that money could have bought a car here.obviously the adventures around the continent would be absent for better or worse. and one could miss out on meeting all sorts of interesting people. also if something went wrong with a car from a local dealer there would be more practical redress than abroad i think.also some may say some models of lancia are similar to maintain costwise but this obviously depends on practical considerations such as spares and model knowledge reserves.so for the moment i will have to continue with my fulvias.best regards richard

Back on the rear valance, most of the photos look the same as the sedan set up to me, i.e. there isn't a rear valance because that is where the exhaust is. The back silencer box is in line with the chasis rails just outboard of the boot floor then the tail pipes turn at right angles under the bumper and exit on what would be the near side in Italy. What there is is a metal shield fitted on top of these pipes running across the car with a slight lip folded down at the rear to partially cover the pipes though it may serve mainly to stiffen the shield.

Frank

Have you looked for, or considered looking for one in a breaker's yard?

www.autodemolizionepadana.it (http://www.autodemolizionepadana.it)

or, to save you trawling through their site...
http://cerca.automobile.it/veicoli/showDetails.html?lang=it&id=121556654
 (http://cerca.automobile.it/veicoli/showDetails.html?lang=it&id=121556654)

That one certainly looks worth restoring.

Brian
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Yes, look like it.  All depends on what's under the paint of course...

Seems to have early type seats (flat, with the gear-lever cut-out) though a 2.8.  Could that be original does anyone know, or has the interior been swapped at some stage?

If any of you are interested, I have an early type Flaminia Farina coupe interior, tan leather.  The 6 side panels as well as front and rear seats.  Leather is largely shot, but you never know what a clever leather person can do these days.  And the concept of patina are always on the move...

Yours for beer or, preferably, a swap for some part I need (Aprilia / Aurelia / Flavia); my needs list is long.  Got a transaxle, rear de-dion, engine blocks too.  Having migrated from Flam's to Aur's, and not expecting to move back, they are all surplus to requirements.

I have mailed the seller of that one. So will see what he has to say...

So reserve the interior please!! Although someone likely to snap it up. How about 2 beers  ;D

There is one coming up at the Paris Retromobile auction on the 4th Feb 2011.
Guide 15,000-20,000 euro.
http://www.artcurial.com/en/asp/fullCatalogue.asp?salelot=1957+++++280+&refno=10332868

This was a nice one:
100'000 km
just 2 owners, with complete history
absolutely original
The 2.5 3B engine, much more powerful than the earlier single carb version.

The interior responded well to Hide Food, it had a nice "Personal" wooden wheel (original steering wheel in the trunk).
When I owned it, it blew a headgasket when leaving for the Dordogne, I had the engine repaired, the carburetor tuned, and the accelerator pumps redone (to cure a flatspot).
I enjoyed it for one year, my small children loved it, I would have let my wife drive it, everything worked so well, the suspension, the brakes (completely redone before I purchased the car). The engine pulled just like a tractor, with a nice noise (typical of those V6-engines). The gearbox, with its synchronized 4 gears was easy to handle compared to the Aurelia.

I had difficulties finding a buyer, the original bodywork started to show some rust, but it was honest rust, not the kind that comes out one year after a full respray. I sold it to someone who enjoyed driving it, that was 7 years ago, in 2004.

Lovely. That would do just fine. Where is it now!

"Seems to have early type seats (flat, with the gear-lever cut-out) though a 2.8.  Could that be original does anyone know, or has the interior been swapped at some stage?"

I rather thought all Flaminias had a column shift and the floor shift was a Nardi conversion. Am I mistaken?

I believe all coupes, Tourings and Zagatos came standard with floor shifts (in the Flaminia).

Sadly have decided to give up on the Flaminia idea. Just not wealthy enough to go through with it. Thanks for the posts and support though. However, a purchase is to be made, if not quite as "classic". See the Thema thread!

You should have persisted with your Flaminia search, this one has just come up for sale on ebay, it's an early 2.5 single carb model and has been off the road for the last 40 years, a nice project, but sadly not really economically viable unless you can do EVERYTHING yourself.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LANCIA-BLUE-/110638710903?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item19c294c077

Would probably still end up costing twice as much as buying a decent one in the first place!  Something for the brave or uber talented methinks.

so is the one at RTCC reasonable value at 15,000?seems ok for such a car.i think it has many plus points for anyone who cannot do everything.best regards richard 

Hard to say. As a "casual" observer who has researched a bit over the past weeks I would say if it was being sold by a private buyer, the Thorne car would be fairly priced at £12k or so. What appear to be nice one's in Italy are around 15k euros. Ok, so that translates to not far off £15k by the time you get them back to the UK but it gives a comparison.

If you take the Montecarlo being sold by RT at £9k. Imagine this selling for around £7k absolute tops anywhere else, and you get the picture. It is featured in one of the classic car mags this month as cars for sale being reviewed - supposed to be a very nice one - the Monte that is.

...asking and sale prices from dealers are not always the same...

In particular keep in mind that a dealer often is only representing the owner of a car for sale. Once serious interest surfaces then it becomes worth having the serious discussions.

Who knows what that car at RTCC might be teased away for?

David

hi David,depending on interest from others more than 12,000 i bet!best regards richard

now sold according to the VL ad.also in same ad '1965 2c arriving soon' sounds interesting!best regards richard

I saw the same and thought the same.  I also wondered if that 1K Appia project went. 

David