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Can anyone help me out? i've got no hinges or boot stay for the aprilia i'm restoring and need to make some up, anyone got any pictures of what they are supposed to look like and how they attatch to the lid and the car, any help appriciated

Once I get my Aprilia back here I can send some photos if no-one else has been able to do so, will be coming back on the 10th - 12th March
Simon

thanks that would be fantastic, i presume they are like an appia bonnet hinge so could do with seeing the part that dissapears into the car aswell if possible and how it attatches james

Here are a couple that may help.

Cant open up to see how the hinges work under the parcel shelf though.

thanks tim, i take it the hinges are just welded to the lid??? my stay couldn't have been like that 1 because there is no provision for it on the body shell, yours is a 2nd series though isn't it?? maybe they differ  ??? hinges look easy enough to make though  ;D

James

You would have to check the parts book re S1 and S2 (I will in due course....) but I would doubt they changed the boot stay etc between the two but I could and am mostly wrong these days!!

Yes they are welded. Seems to me (if you pardon the pun) that the boot is double skinned??

Good luck and great work...

Tim

What a lovely detail !!  Something else to look out for the next chance I get close up with an Appia or Aprilia.

How does the stay operate?

David

By hand!

I always under estimate how high I have to lift the boot lid to get the stay into its mount. It feels the lid is being folded back onto the roof!

This is car 1427 (427th made), 1937.  I don't know how original it is.   

Obvious differences from earlier photos:
1. Hinges bolted to boot lid
2. No boot support strut.

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Second picture is from inside the car looking back towards the box that contains the inner part of the hinge.

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Let me know if you want more detail.

Thanks that looks more like the back of my car, i take it yours has no stay whatsoever as mine doesnt seem to have provision for one  ???

Curiously no detail seems to exist in manuals/parts list for S1 or S2.

Tim

No provision for a stay on the '37 car that I can see, no.

My '38 car had the provision for the stay, although it was missing (broom handle instead!) and the bolted on hinges.
I think as there is alot of pressure on the stay and the mounting is rather weak, if they are missing the most likely cause is because they have broken rather than not having been there in the first place.

I think these hinges were all welded on originally. These pics show what went wrong. The bolt repair is stronger. However my hinges have survived despite a large part of the rest of the lid rotting away in the past.
If the prop is installed properly it has to be unclipped and set in place manually of course but when the lid is raised to release it it should swing back into its retaining clip automatically. (It is spring loaded back to this park position.)

Boot hinges        Second attempt!

And the other even rustier one.
Note that the hinge pin holes still have the remains of sheared off hinge pins in them which is why there don't appear to be any holes!

This is the prop in its clip  in the "parked" position.

Final pic is the actual hinge on my (1937) car that I meant to put up first!

Regarding the stay or prop, from the first photo you can see that I have reinforced the drain channel where it locates to spread the load. Rather crudely I admit but I did it at least 25 years ago.
Otherwise it is as it should be on an S1 car.

Incidently it is very awkward to instal and really requires three people,two to manipulate the lid which has to be held more or less vertically to feed the hinges into their channels, and a third person inside the car to insert the hinge pins.   The bolt mod probably makes fitting easier and gives scope for adjustment---but is heavier and as I said before I don't think it is original.

Ben

Am so glad for this... "the crude welded on" look is original.javascript:void(0);

Can you show the detail of the spring return as mine seems to be missing. It should be fairly simple to knock up a replacement.

Tim

Is it a case of great elegance in the drawing office and "its only a hinge" on the shop floor?

David

This may be pushing my photographic skills over the limit but hopefully you can make it out!

It is a hairpin type spring wound around the pin that the prop is pivoted on with a leg extending along the prop and curled around it at the end of the leg.
This is all contained in a littlesheet steel "box" like a truncated pyramid with one face missing and another face cut away to allow the prop to swing through about 90 degrees.
Perhaps I should sketch it and Chugga could make a batch!

I can just imagine you taking those pictures Ben, boot lid balanced on your head, trying to line the camera up without the lid coming down crushing your arms! or were you also using the broom handle approach?

My spring is broken! I assume you need to take of the brake light assy to get to the pin to retract.

Ben do you have a spare hair spring for sale?? (Haha).

Tim

            It was the broom handle method Ade.

            And sorry Tim---just sold the last one!    And yes the head of the pivot pin is behind the number-plate light.

            This makes an interesting diversion from getting my red Integrale back on its wheels after having the head off to install some new exhaust valves.Should be ready for a test run tomorrow.

thankyou all for the posts and info, i nipped down to Ron Francis's last night and picked up the remains of a bootlid as a pattern, ron was very oppolgetic about its condition but its got hinges AND A STAY!!! its absolutly ideal for what i need but now with the photo's you have all provided i can sort ot what i've actually got  ;D

Slightly different perspective, but a photo showing what I found when I removed the number plate. The bare area is immediately over the bracket for the stay and was caused by flexing in the bracket ie the paint cracked and then water got under the paint and started to rust.

Just thinking that if you are remaking the bootlid it may be worth adding a larger plate to spread the load

If you'd like some new springs and hinges made let me know.

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