Lancia Motor Club

I'm a Fulvia owner but while searching Italian ebay I found this listed as a Fulvia engine. I'm not 100% sure but it looks more like an Aurelia V6 to me if anyone is interested. Item number 300674689662

Appia, and I'd say not cheap at 2.5k Euros.

A related observation.

If you search for 'motore lancia' on ebay.it, there are currently 3 Flaminia engines for sale for about 1,000 Euros each.  That's the asking price, so quite possibly could be bought for less.

Now that Flaminia prices are at a significantly higher level (approx. 30-50% of the equivalent Aurelia - with the Zagato bodied Sport standing in for the B24...) it strikes me as odd that Flam engines seem to cost about 15% of the equivalent Aurelia. 

Watch out for the market correction!

You heard it here first...

Not reading the tealeaves William?!

 :D

This search shows....23 Flaminias for sale........1 Aurelia

http://www.autoscout24.it/ListGN.aspx?atype=C&mmvmk0=42&mmvco=1&make=42&fregto=1970&pricefrom=1000&cy=I&zipc=I&ustate=N%2CU&results=20&desc=1&sort=age&page=1


This search 21 Flaminias.....26 Aurelia.....so roughly 2:1.....


http://www.anamera.com/en/find/list/index.html?no_cache=1


Plus newer model.....so why not less than 1/2 price anyways and a less complex engine and less valuable?


P

Now I'm really really glad i didn't attach my Centenary Plaque to the front of the car!

http://www.autoscout24.it/Details.aspx?id=208105506

Guy

See what you mean Guy, I'm also pleased that mine is still in it's velvet bag!
But I'd love the Berlina, as a Berlina fan I'd love it and it's a pretty good asking price as well.

brian
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Best picture I've seen of the INTERNAL rear wiper - what a toy...

David

Not reading the tea leaves, just talking up the value of the 20 Flaminia engines I've got stashed away (joke;-)

I meant % of values, not of the number of cars available.  

I wouldn't say that Flam engines are less complex than Aurelia.  Cheaper to rebuild in some cases (white metal vs. shell bearings) but conceptually the same engine.  Experts seem to agree that the later engine is better engineered, as you might expect.

So the lower value of the Flaminia engines is (in my view) a reflection of the long time that Flaminia models have, in general, spent as un-loved and misunderstood 'backwater' cars.  That seems to have changed - hurrah! more will be saved - but the parts prices, in particular for engines, are lagging the prices the cars are now fetching.  That's all I was trying to say.

Interesting to get the inside track on the later engine, plus design and quality.

No one has ever "up-graded" their Aurelia to the later engine, does it fit, can it be done?


P

Someone put a Ford V8 in one - but that was in the middle. 

Robert Coucher (editor of Octane) is often mentioning the one he had in his youth with a Ford V6. 

The Carrera Panemerica cars (mid 80s?  Can't remember which rock star...) had Flamina brakes, I believe also Flamina transaxles, perhaps also Flamina engines. 

HOWEVER - if its a naughty plan you have in mind - by the time you get it all done the Flamina engine will be just as valuable ;)   

Something else to be aware of is that there are crates of part worn Aurelia engine bits in circulation as everytime anyone has a rebuild they replace everything (its the "may as well given the labour" logic) but can't bring themselves to sling the pistons, liners, valves, bearings.  SO - if the labour is your own and the budget is tight - in theory - you should be able to make an engine fresher than it was (or recover from a dropped valve or broken ring) for the "couple of beers and a smile" of lore.

Almost back to the thread title - my other fantasy (there's a bit of me that is always trying to convince the rest that an Aurelia Berlina is a sensible everyday car) is that Aurelia Berlina engines are out there racked up by the thousand as they made so many more of the Berlinas than the GTs but the GTs survive them 20:1 - and of the surviving Berlinas a fair percentage have GT engines anyway.  Likewise gearboxes with the short final drive nobody wants.  If I was willing to "make do and mend" regarding all the rare stuff like distributer caps...?   But then there's the rolled edge rims, pot joints and rear wheel bearings, those waterfall headlights, getting a good seal on the front and rear screens, quite a list of scary bits.

David

...but having said that I don't think it would be any worse than a Beta or Dedra...

David

I saw 3 B20s being prepped (by the late John Dabbs, I think) at Julius Thurgood's garage in Heathman's Yard SW6 in the late '80s.  Air scoops above the driver, disk brakes...  not sure what Flaminia bits were used though.

Nick Mason was, as I understand it, the main progenitor of this Carrera Panamericana jaunt.  A 'Floyd fan site says he and David Gilmour were the drivers, and Google suggests perhaps Mark Knopfler (Dire Straights) also?  Someone here will know...  What's the collective noun for rock stars? 

http://www.pinkfloydonline.com/faq/question54/ (http://www.pinkfloydonline.com/faq/question54/)

One of the Carrera cars was driven by Martin Birrane and Chris Craft. It was in tne Mondello Park Museum for many years. I say 'was' because I heard recently that it had been sold.
I did some work on the car. It had blown a head gasket and lay for a number of years with both heads 'missing'. When my B20 was seen at Mondello it prompted Birrane to get it up and running. Apart from the body mods it was standard 4th series. Brakes, engine, transaxle etc all standard. Even the front drums were 4th series as opposed to the bigger one normally found on racers.
I had the experience of sitting on a few spare wheels, holding onto the roll cage, whilst a very experienced racer by the name of Ron Cummings (Scottish) drifted the car on its skinny 400mm's.

The "165" is the skinny bit!

At least one of the cars that William refers to was also being given attention by Barry Waterhouse at his premises off the Walworth Road. I was there one day when Barry was setting it up for modifying the front suspension to give it a bit of negative camber. This was to be done on the car simply by heating up the axle beam and bending it! Barry was expecting to use a full bottle of gas to do the job. I couldn’t stay on to see how it went. Hot stuff!

Colin

I see there is a flaminia 2.8 sport engine+gearrbox etc in C+SC mag priced at €15K with brakes.richard