Lancia Motor Club

Hi Everyone,

When I bought my silver S2 Sport I have to admit I really had my heart set on an S1 or S1.5 so when the chance came for one recently I decided it was time for a little change. The S2 has gone to a new and stoked owner, and a new Fulvia Sport is sitting in the garage. It hasn't done many miles over the last few years so there are a few jobs on a lengthening list but I'm over the moon.

Here she is - the first red Italian car I've owned. One of the first job is new wing mirrors to replace the ugly ones she came with - anyone have a pair of Matador style mirrors?

Cheers

Chris

Try    http://www.vintagesupplies.com/  who supplied an exact replica of my door mirror and have quite a selection to choose from.

782 Flat looks pretty similar to the pair I fitted to my 2C.
Brian
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i dont think they are the same. it is also critical to test the position of these bullet mirrors on the wings as they may only provide aesthetic improvement if in wrong place!!

I think they should be like this?

These mirrors need to be quite close to the windscreen, about level with the rear of the bonnet. See photo below taken last Sunday at Chelsea Autolegends. My car has two such mirrors, which is unusual (no you can’t have one, sorry!) and I think this is because my RHD car was first owned by a Brit in the military in Germany, where he clearly needed to augment the rear view on the left.

Colin

From the vintagecarparts web site

David, These are not the correct mirrors! Chris's photo above is of the correct type. I doubt they are available new anywhere, but old ones as fitted to S1 Fulvias would be worth looking for, with a view to refurbishing.

Colin

Thanks guys, I think the mirrors already on the car are mounted too far forward but they do need replacing as they are hideous.

Also have a question re the full beam/dip switch. Went for a spin this evening, on the way home it got dark, lights went on dipped, popped them on main beam - wouldn't then dip again. Think it's the push button on the end of the arm or is their another relay for the dip / main beam?

Cheers

Chris

Perhaps I read it wrong but I assumed you were talking about a series 1 going by your first post, if that's the case what button on the end are you talking about? as far as I remember on my series 1 Rallye Coupe it was the same as my series 1 2c Berlina and I think the Series 1 Zagato is the same, with only the 1 stalk for indicators and headlight dip/main beam, which is used in conjuction with the main lighting switch on the dash, but has an odd operation arrangement which is explained in the handbook.
On the other hand if it's a 1.1/2 I have no experience and no idea what is happening ::)
Brian
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That button on the end of the stalk arrangement sounds more like Flaminia or early Flavia. My S1 Fulvia has the centre button on the steering wheel for flashing and the dip/main switching is by forward/ back movement of the indicator stalk. As Brian says, the positioning of the pull-and-turn switch on the dash needs also comes into it.

Colin

OK but the second one is not far out and could do as a fall back if you cannot get the real thing.  My 2nd series has the first which is an exact copy of the one it had mounted on it in Singapore in 19??  This is actually mounted on the driver's door near the front and works very well as a seebackroscope.    I wonder if some cars were supplied without mirrors originally??  As my car was "restored" in Singapore I have no idea!

Perhaps I read it wrong but I assumed you were talking about a series 1 going by your first post, if that's the case what button on the end are you talking about? as far as I remember on my series 1 Rallye Coupe it was the same as my series 1 2c Berlina and I think the Series 1 Zagato is the same, with only the 1 stalk for indicators and headlight dip/main beam, which is used in conjuction with the main lighting switch on the dash, but has an odd operation arrangement which is explained in the handbook.
On the other hand if it's a 1.1/2 I have no experience and no idea what is happening ::)
Brian
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Hi Brian,

Sorry, mine is a series 1.5 Sport. From my Alfa Giulia days I remember contacts wear on indicator stalks could be a bit of a pain too, and a fiddly fix. Before I started dismantling I thought someone might have been there before - seems like the kind of set up that would eventually fail.

Cheers

Chris

Hi Chris, do you have any photos as I have a couple of series 1 indicator/switch Assemblies but I need to see what you have and how it fits, do you have the central main lights switch on the dash?
Brian
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Hi Brian,

Being an S1.5 Sport I think the set up is the same as an S2 Fulvia - there's the stalk with the little switch that operates the clunky relay - and that stalk operates side and dipped. The second stalk has a button on the end for dipped main beam - thats the one that has failed. The actual arm / button looks like the one for the washwipers spray.

Cheers

Chris

Just looked up Michael Frostick.   First series mirrors on the rear of the wing as in Chris' pic, just below the crease and in line with the rear of the bonnet so far as I can tell.  Second series on the door at the rear of the quarter light and looking like mine (picture one of vintagecarparts).  So, since my car is a second series, this pedantic old bugger will now retire from this thread.

my 1600 sport is like Colin's re mirror poition as x2. the second one gives marginal assistance when on zee continent, but half the mirror is lost by the windscreen rubber and you have to carefully position the wiper blade on passenger side to get anything useful. it takes me c200 miles to get into using them effectively when driving on the wrong side of the road. btw as 1600 it is S2 but the previous owner liked S1 gutter and front grill, and I liked Hf suspension so it can wear what ever it likes as a non standard car....

Thanks Chris,
sorry I can't help then, from what I've heard from other owners it's not a particularly reliable set up.
I think it's also been the subject of much discussion on here previously.
Brian
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Sudden malfunction of the S1.5/S2 main lights may be caused by a dodgy electromagnetic switch (or its poor connections). The switch (a large brown plastic casing) can be seen after opening the fusebox on the right hand side surrounded by a plethora of spaghetti-like wires. Andrea

Thanks Nistri, Had a play and the relay appears to working ok for the lights - nice and noisy. I have sidelights and mainbeam, no dipped. With the lights off, I have no flashed main beam from the end of the stalk, but with sidelights on I have main beam flash. Earth? Stalk switch? The relay I have has no cover could have been getting covered in dust for years.

While we're in this area so to speak - anyone know what this switch does?

I think its that rheostat for dimming or brightening the dash lights

That switch controls the rear heated screen on my s2 Sedan.All of my Fulvia dimming rheostat controls  have been on the instrument panel and mirror  the plated  odeometer reset control regardless of series.Also I have a cigar lighter in place of your LH thumbscrew. richard.

I have a dimmer close to the dials - thought this might be for a heated rear screen only my car has no heated rear screen?

Chris

So what happens when the swittch is operated?Is it a "spare" switch or is it connected to the wiring loom I wonder?

My S2 coupe has two switches which don't do anything.  One is next to the heater controls and the other is next to the vents, like in your photo. 

While stripping the car out for restoration, I came to the assumption that the switch next to the heater controls, which only has one position, is for the heated rear window (the window has the wires coming from it, but the cables to the switch had been removed).  I am guessing that the switch next to the vents is for a fan override.  My reasoning for this is that in my car, there is an extra toggle switch fitted nearby and it is not the kind which would have been on the car when new.  From memory, the switch next to the vents on my car has two positions.  This would equate to two fan speeds.  If anybody knows anything, I would appreciate other suggestions!

In my S2 coupé the pull out knob in the right of the air vent operates a radiator fan override i.e. on a hot day in stop start traffic you can pull this out to just keep the fan going constantly.
On the left I have a toggle switch that controls the up-down movement of the radio aerial. Whether this is 'original fitment' I can't say. It certainly looks well integrated but could have been fitted by a past owner.

Interestingly in the Fulvia Instruction Book there are no specific pull out buttons or toggle switches illustrated. These areas just have 'screw heads' similar to the access panel to the fuse box beneath. So whether these were originally blanks and a user could specify options ... ?

Problems with head lights: of course there might be a poor contact inside the stalk switch which is a fragile item with moving sliding contacts which can be dirty/worn/damaged. Usually this problem is manifested as no operation in a particular switch position. However, if the lights suddenly go off and come back by switching them on/off a few times, it is likely due to a faulty electromagnetic switch, not the relays. If the lights come off when the car is driven over a pothole, there is bad earth connection at the steering column and the ring around the switch must be fully tightened.

The dashboard switch near the airvent is for the rear demister, an optional at the time. The switch below it is for auxiliary fog lamps (again an optional). These items were standard on the Montecarlo version of the coupe. Andrea  

When I brought my S2 back to life after a long hibernation I had to spend a lot of time stripping and cleaning the stalk switches.  It all comes apart quite easily and the operation is pretty well self explanatory but take care and beware of losing small springs.  Photos of the switches before and after dismantling are a useful backup.  I also had to take out and clean all the fuses and the spade connectors in particular - these can give intermittent connections and all the multiplug connectors of which there are many.  A spray of switch cleaner is helpful for these followed by unplugging and plugging several times.  The headlight filaments are all on separate fuses so if both are off it suggests something proximal to the fuse box such as the switch or plugs or even the relay.  Take your test meter (less than £10 from Maplins) and trace all the circuits.  The handbook has wiring diagrams but be sure to choose the correct one as there are many detail differences.  The relays were in their boxes and worked fine once they were properly connected in.  Also, the plugs onto the back of the headlight bulbs were dirty.  It all took the best part of a week but has been worth it. 

Thanks guys,

I'll be having a go at the switches soon. Electrics have never been my strong point so I'll take it slow and easy. In the mean time spent a Sunday afternoon under the car fitting a new rear silencer and all new exhaust hangers. The exhaust was really low in the middle, but is better now. All the hangers had split and the exhaust as all skewed. Also, new silicone hoses have arrived so that's the next job - and finding wing mirrors.

Sill haven't worked out what the switch is for - I'm guessing for the heated rear screen that isn't a heated screen...

Cheers

Chris

The switch is actually there to match the one on the other side.  You may use it for what you wish!

I don't want to add confusion here but I note that you have an S2 coupé ... like me. I also noticed your earlier picture querying your switch was of the area by the air vent not by the heater controls.

Now on my S2 that switch isn't the rear demister ... it's to manually switch on the engine fan. My rear demist appears above that by the heater controls. Below is a picture to illustrate what I mean!

Anyway, if the button is doing diddly-squat at the moment then, as David says, you can use it as you wish. There must be some 'James Bond' type gadget that would suit a Fulvia!  :)

Hey Scott,

Your engine fan is the same type and position as mine - but I'm assuming the fan over-ride is an after the fact change and not offered by Lancia.

The switch I have is certainly wired into something but doesn't seem to do anything - some digging is needed this weekend.

Cheers

Chris

your switch would probably have operated some additional driving or fog lights which have subsequently been taken off.