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having attended the excellent LMC Goodwood track day today i heard my old sport  1.3 is active once more!would love to hear about current progress + look forward to seeing it at future events

Hello Richard, Stan Sweet here who bought it from you.  Yes, I had 2 great track days with it at Goodwood and Castle Coombe. Loved it, the handling was great with the negative camber. Think I knocked about 8 seconds off my Goodwood time compared to my coupe. I moved to France last year and so had to go with one car as I have a single garage. I went with the coupe as I've had it for 14 years so I'm quite attached to it. I've passed the Zagato on to Graham Bates and his son Warren has it. It's in safe hands as he's an engineering graduate working with F1 teams. It may appear again at track days. I have the feeling that it will appear one day as a superb Daytona replica. I hope so anyway. Graham worked on my Fulvia coupe and it now has all alloy panels and perspex etc. It's now so good that I probably won't risk it too much competition wise. I still remember those track days though. It was a quick little car. Good to hear from you.

nice to hear from you stanley,hope you are both keeping well in france+look forward to seeing JLG65K in action again with its new owner.i expect you saw it on the LMC flyer last year -looked great!any mods since you bought it? best regards richard

Hello Richard. There were no major engineering mods. I had the exhaust box in the floor cut out to get my seat back and run the exhaust out the same side but with a couple of smaller silencers that gave adequate ground clearance. I put 2 racing seats and harnesses in and added a couple of small indicators to the front valance. The brakes had seized up while it was having the rear panel beaten out and resprayed so they were stripped and cleaned and new seals were put in the master cylinder. I fitted a couple of of alloy racing mirrors to the wings and painted the wheels gold. I think that was it. It had a lovely little engine and didn't run out of revs on the Goodwood straight the way my coupe did. I never knew if this was due to the bigger tyres (indestructable by the way) or different gearing in the box? Could you let me know if it was a higher ratio box? My coupe has lowish profile Yokohamas so that may have been the difference. At Castle Coombe the handling was great. Even when I braked a bit later than I should for the chicanes it went through perfectly and as I got used to it I realised you could chuck it in anyway you wanted and it would go through with a little bit of a rear slide. If I could I would have kept it but also wish I had the engineering skills to have kept improving it bodily etc. Graham and his son are the people to do this but as with the rest of us it's time and money but I'm sure you'll see it around.The other reason I kept the the coupe was that it is LHD so very handy over here. We've been here over a year now and it's going better than we ever hoped. Took my coupe in for its controle technique the other day and someone saw it and stopped to leave his card. He is a commitee member of La Scuderia Lancia which I've discovered is quite a large nationwide club here. So I will get in touch with him. How are you doing Lancia wise? Have you still got the red Zagato you rebuilt? Good to hear from you.

hi stanley, the 'box in JLG65K was a HF S2 if i remember correctly .i think the tyre diameter was the main difference in gearing.i reckon the body shape  afforded a noticable benefit on the high speed straights.my S1 sport is in regular use, usually on wednesdays when me + my daughter anoushka enjoy a drive on the kent roads.best regards richard.

Hello Richard. Good to hear you still have it and enjoy it regularly.

Hi Richard,
Your car has resurfaced here in the UK:

http://www.lancisti.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3600

Neil

thanks Neil,i dont have access to that forum+e mail not working so cant register.if that new owner would like info etc.please pass on my details.best regards richard

Don't know who she belonged to at the time, but here she is at the LMC Goodwood track day c1996 or 1997.

Brian
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i am pretty sure that was my period with the old faithful,tremendous fun! can anyone identify the passenger?best of luck to the new custodian with whom i have spoken today.will go to have a look at the old car next week if poss.to see if spec. is still the same- at the reasonable asking price as published.i would very much like to have a print of that goodwood pic. if available[i can hear the revs building now -down the pit straight and then in to madgwick......]

Good days when we used to be able to get nearer to the action before all the banking, and view points were altered.
I've emailed you a copy of the photo, unfortunately it's the only one I have of her in action.

Brian
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many thanks Brian,a lovely pic of the car before the wheelarch mods, which became neccessary to avoid the tyres fouling the arches with those campagnolos fitted.i understand more attractive wheelarch extensions are available these days for this model which would be a great improvement over my homemade items!

You were certainly pressing on ;D

Brian
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Richard,

If you are in any doubts as to when you did the modifications to the wheel arches – see these pictures below. One is from Goodwood in March ’99 and the other from Franco Macri’s gathering three months later in June ’99.

I think the passenger in Brian’s Goodwood photo might well have been me. Although it was later at North Weald when after another run with me as ballast, I was surprised to learn that your car didn’t have a 1600 engine because it went so well.

Happy days,

Colin

that car did go well and for very little outlay!car purchase £500 ; what with financial constraints i opted for a rebuilt standard spec. engine/subframe from a scrap coupe for sale by pure chance locally for £100 and beadblasted shell/ self constructed floors front +rear[at local body restoration college] lightweight doors etc.as i had been advised that obviously every kg lost = x amount of power gained, so seemed a good way to go[cant quite remember the formula]. i have to say the best value improvement to handling came via modified front wishbones from John Days workshop.anyhow great fun at less than the 55Keuros reqd. for the posh version currently advertised.does anyone know the current value of an ex works competzione in good order?

The last time I saw one go through auction was this one:

http://www.coys.co.uk/auctions/lot.php?auction=67&id=53341

which sold for €45k.

This was not a bone-fide Competizione, but a seemingly period modified car. Given that Fanalone prices have gone up about 25% in the last two years in Europe I suppose this would be around the €55k mark now. I guess an original would be around 50-75% more? Ask Neal Shepherd  ;D

Ally S1 Sport RHD sold for under 7k last month:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LANCIA-FULVIA-ZAGATO-1-3-1967_W0QQitemZ230408460336QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAutomobiles_UK?hash=item35a56a1830#ht_1216wt_1167

That Coys Competizione was 2007:

http://www.motorbase.com/auctionlot/by-id/1577235443/

The "Ally S1 Sport RHD sold for under 7k last month" mentioned above is the one bought by Nick Wells, who has joined and been welcomed to the LMC. I have encouraged Nick to join the forum.

Colin

i hope the brakes can be sorted.i was fortunate to get a whole set of correctly sized brand new dunlop piston assemblies at the time i needed them.i dont know if these are still available in the appropriate bore sizes and have wondered what effect the jaguar etc.spec.ones would have[ assuming these can be fitted to the fulvia calipers]i look forward to seeing the car.best regards richard

If anyone needs a copy I have a CD which shows what Dunlop Brake parts were used on various makes of car so a direct comparison can be made to see what is compatible.
I'm sure I've seen in Classic & Sports car someone who can supply parts for Dunlop Brakes, occaisionally they do turn up on ebay but at horrendous prices.

Brian
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There was a Series 2 Zagato that sold at Padova this year;http://www.coys.co.uk/auctions/lot.php?auction=95&id=57406 (not sure if the link is correct but Coys have the results) it sold for E14750 and is probably a closer match to this car in terms of value than the Series 1 replica Competizione from 2007. I can remember seeing the car at Richards many years ago and being very impressed with the workmanship and attention to detail. As to brakes I could probably have a set of stainless pistons made up at a resonable cost.

At the Padova autojumble this year there was a Dutchman selling stainless steel brake cylinders made from T3-04 steel as direct replacements for Dunlop wheel cylinders in a range of bores from 1.5" to 2.25".
rising in increments of 1/8". They were not cheap but of course should last almost for ever and he told me he had sold 'hundreds' at the show. I seem to remember that the rubbers he used were made from something a little special as opposed to original Dunlop rubber seals.
(An esteemed LMC member once told me that my wheel cylinders which I had relined in stainless steel would wear out the rubbers more quickly that the original because stainless steel was itself more abrasive that the original and also because stainless steel didnt 'hold' the brake fluid as well.)
Website is www.classictuning.com

They look seriously nice, how much "not Cheap" were they ;D

Brian
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I think the abrasion and 'holding' fluid are red herrings, it is a function of the m/c finish that determines the ability to 'hold' fluid as in a honed engine bore. The abrasion is a function of the surface finish- ie is it polished, superfinished etc.

Omicron used to offer an exchange stainless steel lined cylinder service. I had a set on my 2c and have them on the Fanalone. Experienced no problems with them.

Robin.

Yes,
I believe the comments about stainless steel being harder on the rubber seals is a red herring. I have never had any problem.
The prices quoted at Padova ranged from 1.5" @ Euro 198.50 each + VAT to 2.25" @ Euro 228.45 each + VAT.
Not cheap but nevertheless beautifully made.

not cheap, but good value if you need them.a full set of eight would obviously represent a considerable investment for the home restorer of a fulvia on a budget [20% of the cars market value inc. m/c servo /pipes /hoses etc.i spent a similar amount on mine -taking into account inflation/exchange rates- and have not regretted the cost for a moment enjoying the benefits of a good braking system

A couple more brake suppliers here for the Dunlops:

http://www.powertrackbrakes.co.uk/index.html

http://www.ward-engineering.co.uk/calipers.htm

Admittedly it was a few years ago, but I had no difficulty getting new Dunlop piston units from Jaguar suppliers- SNG Barratt, because of the early E-type and Mk2 Jaguars.   (There will be other suppliers, I am sure).   2 1/8" fronts are okay.   It is the rears that present the problem and I suspect that only 1.5" units will be available new (as used on the Jags.).   Fulvias/Flavias are 1 5/16 or 1 3/8" or 1 7/16" (I think), dependent on the model.   (For the sake of getting a new unit I opted for 1.5" although it was being matched to the Coopercraft 4 piston front caliper)   You could always try experimenting with different grades of pads to get the correct balance front to rear?   o/e pads appear on eBay, and also EBC are listing "Green Stuff" and "Red Stuff" new pads.

Came across a couple of pictures of JLG 65K at a Goodwood Track Day some time ago being pursued by Jonathan driving our Fanalone with me riding shotgun. I think they were taken by Tim Jewell.

Robin.

Either a long lense in the second photo or very close!

Brian
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i have met with the new owner now and i hope his mention of an appearance at the next goodwood trackday will come to fruition.lovely to see the photos posted so far as i have never seen these before!does any member have any suggestion as to which seats to install as they are absent at present.i favour the previously fitted fanalone seats although the lack of head restraints were always a worry. one of my favourite seats bought new at considerable cost but nonetheless good value were the sparco replica fulvia/stratos bucket seats in a 'velour/ faux suede' sort of finish which i passed to Paul Jenkins some time ago-i wonder where those are now?

Sorry to enter the fray rather late on the brake subject, but there is a company in Bromsgrove, BG Developments I think, who produce replacement wheel cylinders CNC machined from solid aluminium in a range of the larger sizes, great for the front but not so good regarding the rears.  I believe that these incorporate modern seals and pistons and are thus ultra reliable, as well as slightly lighter.  To me the only downside is that they look to exactly what they are, beautifully made from billet, not a casting mark in sight!

Neale Shepherd

JLG65K was advertised for sale recently and has now been bought by a friend-of-a- friend, who intends to have it shipped to New Zealand. From what I have seen it looks to be much as it was when Richard owned it, but has lost its Campagnolo wheels and has gained some racing seats.

The new owner needs to move the car from Croydon (where it currently resides) to Redhill and thence on to a ferry boat/ container for NZ. Trouble is the brakes are seized on – hence this message.

Does anyone know of a person or business experienced with Fulvia brakes in the Croydon – Redhill area who might be able to help?

Any replies to me please in the first instance and I will forward to the new owner.

Colin  

Edited on 21 July after learning that the car is not being sold by a commercial dealer and that the vendor has help on hand to solve the brake issue.  Oops! Sorry, Colin

latest news on JLG65K is that this car is having trouble passing its New Zealand vehicle inspection to allow it on the road.a bit of a surprise as it looked fine what seems like not so long ago.it must have deteriorated somewhere along the line.best regards richard

Eight years on from the previous post, I have news that JLG65K is possibly going to be restored by Dutch marque experts. I wonder what the spec will be? Also I have found some photos which I think are new to this thread.

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