Lancia Motor Club

History

CUC 20H came to England in 1969 as one of the 30 or so right hand drive Fulvia 1.6HF Fanalone. Others may be able to fill in it’s early history but by 1974 Lancia Club member and at that time Estate Agent, the late Barry Waterhouse, had converted it into a club rally car. The February edition of Cars and Car Conversions magazine carried a test of the Fanalone by international rally driver Colin Wilson. Wilson loved the car even if he felt that it needed a bit of a tidy up! The Lancia at that time was painted orange but the only colour photo I have so far come across shows Barry with his back to the camera talking to Harry Maning. Barry was shall we say an enthusiastic driver as the second photo attached shows and the car suffered more than it’s fair share of damage during his ownership. Scars it still carries!

Barry sold the Fanalone to one Derek Forrest who with Rhona Lomax rallied it under the Panda Print banner, Derek’s print company. It was a regular on Southern road rallies and Motoring News Championship events. Photo shows it at the 1988 LMC AGM in Norwich. I’ve attached a photo of my Ex-works, ex-Jolly Club1.3HF as in the back ground is the front wing of CUC 20H. Incidentally CJW 746H is I believe being rebuilt by a club member and I very much hope that we shall see it at Fulvia 50th.

I lost touch with CUC for 10 years or more until it turned up advertised in the Lancia Club magazine owned by Mr N. Constable-Berry who lived in Norfolk. Son, Jonathan, was running a very nice S3 Fulvia but wanted something a bit out of the ordinary and having turned down CJW 746H which was then for sale with Richard Thorne as too expensive, commenced negotiation on CUC. We went to view it in April 1996 and found it to be in a pretty poor state but by July a deal had been struck and it was home with Jonathan. It turned out to be a mammoth task but was duly finished in time for the LMC 50th Anniversary Celebrations in Cheltenham.

Arriving at the Castle Coombe track day imagine Barry’s surprise and enormous pleasure to see his old warhorse roadworthy once more. Something he never expected to witness knowing as he did what a hard life it had had! Jonathan had not had time and me not the funds to do much to the engine and it was smoking badly. Barry very kindly offered Jonathan to take the engine to his Peckham premises and rebuild it under his guidance. Jonathan accepted, learnt a great deal and the engine is untouched from that time.

During the next 10 years or so the Fanalone saw lots of use including at one time Jonathan’s daily commute from Sussex to Essex where he was working. It conveyed him to his wedding and a couple of Le Mans 24hr races. But, on the way to Classic Le Mans 1998 the gearbox inexplicably lost all it’s oil and seized at 85mph on the Autoroute. Fortunately we only brushed the crash barrier but the gearbox was completely wrecked. Being the early 5 speed piggy back box spares were not easy to come by but were eventually sourced, it just needs putting back together.

During this period you may remember that another ‘old lady’ was giving me a hard time and the Fanalone was shelved. Now, with Fulvia 50th fast approaching someone said that it would be nice to get CUC there. Close inspection revealed that more than a bit of spit and polish was needed and in early December last she was stripped down to a bare shell.

More photos in the next post.

To be continued…..

Robin.

Some more photos...

Robin.

Scan of the February 1974 CCC test of CUC 20H.

Robin.

Lovely history, I'm looking forward to reading more as progress takes place.

Seeing the first photo - has to be painted orange!

Does this help with the colour?
Robin intrigued to see your old 2c has clear indicator lenses at the front as mine are orange?

Brian
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Thanks Brian it will help as we have pretty well decided on orange.

Umm... my 2c indicator lenses were clear when I bought the car and I was the 3rd owner.

Robin.

Will the Orange be Rosso san Siro like my JLG65K in the Goodwood photo? Look forward to seeing the car again. Richard

Thanks Richard for the name of the colour, I'll add it to the list.

Robin.

Robin - you should send this to Jack to put in VL. One because it's so good and two we could use it to show the non Forum members what they are missing!

Articles like this are what being in a good car club is all about.

Robin,

Great story and hopefully you'll make good progress. We might get our two cars together yet!!
Neil

I met Derek Forrest and Rhona in 1973 I think at their property in Wokingham and at that time Derek told me he had more than one S1 Fanalone's!
Chris

I think you could be right Chris as around that time I went to visit them as they were advertising one (CUC 20H I believe) for sale and did indeed have another.

Robin.

Catch up…..

Couple of months work on CUC 20H to catch you up on and by and large the pictures will tell all. The first set show what we started with and the shell ready to go to the paint strippers in early December.

Just before Christmas the shell came back from Cleaning Consultants (Contractors) Ltd who had done an amazing job which revealed the extent of the task that lay before us!  :o

By the end of January driver’s foot well, subframe box and cill  had been completed..

2nd February saw the passenger foot well, sub-frame box,and sill replaced.

A week later and the back seat up-stand had been replaced, rear off side sill repaired and the front sub-frame stripped and awaiting repair.

Another intensive week’s activity and the rear floor pans were in place and the underside ready for the welds to be cleaned up and sealed. Repairs and adjustments were carried out to the front sub-frame something dire having happened to it in it’s former life which had necessitated an extra half rubber mounting being inserted on top of the out rigger.

Two pictures of the metal cut out and one of the castors constructed to move the shell around on when painted. Two fix to the rear front sub-frame boxes and two to the front hangers for the rear springs.

Bill Lewis rang today to say that the half front wing and fuel tank floor surround are ready for dispatch so maybe, just maybe our target of first week in March for the shell to go to the paint shop will be met.

Oh! And in case the more uncharitable might think that I’m doing nothing it’s just that I’m always behind the camera!  ::)

Robin.

I am impressed.....you've got about 4 mths of my equivalent work done in a few weeks.....great stuff...looking forward to finished product!


P

It's all looking very impressive, but you haven't reused that bit of dexion from the original repairs!!! ;D

Robin, this is looking very familiar, my S2 has just had the same sort of treatment or major surgery, only the front floor needed replacement, the car is home now after painting and the refit has commenced, it might take a while, I used the same blasters as you in Sussex they do an excellent job, a little too revealing in some respects!!

Thought about nailing it on the garage wall and calling it Barry!  ;D

Robin.

Amazing - you will go to the ball, Cinderella !

Excellent progress again last week. Tidied up the welds to the underside of the floor pans, dismantled front suspension and back axle, fitted new Bill Lewis front wing and boot floor petrol tank surround and started repairs to front valance and head light panel.

Spent lots of time on the internet sourcing parts and have hopefully nailed down the orange paint colour we like.

Thanks guys for the support and practical info, much appreciated.  8)

This time next week should see us very close to sending the shell to the paint shop. Fingers crssed eh? :D

Robin.

More pics.  ::)

Robin

Getting nicer by the moment........keep it up


P

I like the air saw.

Fascinating to see the inside of the structure.

David

Yes, the air saw is an absolute gem and not very expensive but does need at least 6cfm of compressed air and 32tpi hacksaw blades.

The old wheel arch is cut away, the new panel laid in place and fixed with the clever temporary 'pop rivets' and the saw used to trim around the new panel. Remove the rivets with the pliers supplied for the job and the old panel can be discarded. Replace the new panel and spot weld in place and you have a perfect join to weld up.

We're so pleased with the new wing that although we could probably save the nearside one, we've ordered a replacement from Bill Lewis and will repeat the exercise.

Robin.

I just got my set back after being out on loan for a couple of years. 

http://www.skinpins.co.uk/toolsC200pliers.html

It was 20 years ago and I've forgotten where I got mine from.  I know them as Clecos rather than skin pins.  Another UK supplier, again not where I (once) went.  These days search my emails but it was before online everything and digital cameras.

http://www.glosterairparts.co.uk/

David

Where else?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_trksid=p3984.m570.l1313&_nkw=cleco&_sacat=0&_from=R40

I like these as well which work with the same pliers:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AIRCRAFT-TOOLS-SET-OF-5-CLECO-CLAMPS-1-INCH-/121065541591?pt=UK_Air_Tools_and_Compressors&hash=item1c30118fd7

David

Ed Levin's orange car

Hi Richard, I have the paint code for Ed Levin's car courtesy of Jonathan (bruciebonuz) and have had a test aerosol made up. It seems to be an exact match for the Rosso sans Ciro sample you gave me when I collected the Fulvia Berlina and at the moment we are leaning heavily towards using it. Decision has to be made soon!

Anyone out there any idea of the code for Rosso sans Ciro. My research has drawn a blank.

Robin.

It's Glasurit code LAN 212. I've got the paint mix details as well if you need them. This for a 1971 paint, don't know if it varied year to year.
Neil

I'm sure the orange colour of Ed Levin's car is not Rosso San Ciro.
Rosso San Ciro was a colour exclusive to the Fulvia 1600 Sport Zagato, which can best be described as Salmon PINK!

With respect to others with greater knowledge - Ed Leven's car is Rosso San Siro (as is the colour of the ex Franco Subbiani's 1600 Sport that mopped up the Concours prizes at quite a number of AGMs a few years ago).  Zagato also had another own colour for the Sport - Rosso Salmone, which is very much 'pink'.  Never seen a complete car in that colour but have seen a bonnet panel.  There are those out there who have ?

Peter Pompilli did some research into the colour numbers and San Siro is listed as 1259 Z and 2259 Z and the same numbers minus the Z under Lesonal ( or 10259 Z?).  I also have a note of 192 under Lechler.

Apparently, Phil Mitchell may have the chip numbers.

Speaking to Andrew Cliffe some years ago when Omicron had their racer Sport at the AGM in Witney, Oxford, he said that their car (and it looked a good colour match) had been painted in the base coat colour of one of the paint mixing suppliers, before various quantities of other colours are added to get a manufacturers' match.

Finally - in the Zagato Register photo archive, I have a number of Sports in San Siro.  If you would like to see them, send a PM.

Regards - Roddy

I think you're right. That's the colour I've given the code for, I assumed Ciro was a typo  :P

This is a photo of (I presume) Franco Subbiani's 1600 Sport. I thought this car was a little orange for the colour that I thought was Rosso San Siro, so if it is and I stand to be corrected, San Siro, the colour that I was thinking about which was much more pink must be the Rosso Salmone.

Mike Guest used to have a Zagato in Rosso Salmone and it was a bit violent on the eyes! ::)
, I'll see if I can find the photo, this was back in the 1990's at an Autoitalia day at Brooklands.
Brian
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Many thanks guys for all the input.

Details that I was given for the colour of Ed Levin's Fanalone as follows;

Factory Code 911   Ypsilon Kaleidos   Glasurit LAN 911   Glasurit Line 22 Single Stage.

I've had this translated to ICI 420  5YX5 which when mixed is indistinguishable (to my eye) from the Rosso sans Ciro paint sample Richard gave me  that was on his Fulvia Sport.

As posted earlier we are trying to put our Fanalone back to something like it was when Barry Waterhouse rallied it and it would seem totally in character for him to have painted it the orange used on the then current Fulvia Sport.

Robin.

More of a pink colour, this is 'light coral red' I think an option for Alfa Giulietta in the mid fifties

More orange

Hello Richard

Did you take this photo of the RHD 1600 Sport?  I cannot make out the details of the Registration plate, although it is obviously abroad somewhere (Japan?).  The two cars behind seem to be LHD. 

Regards - Roddy

Hi Roddy, the photo is from http://zagatoclub.jp/

Jonathan gave me a nudge this evening to say that an up-date was needed for CUC especially as there seemed to be a takeover by the Fulvia Sport! However, he understands that with the discussion centered around Rosso san Siro paint and that as that colour was exclusive to the Sport, pictures of it are of that variant.

It is proving impossible to find a supplier for R-s-S. Neil Cundy kindly emailed a copy of the Glasurit colour card showing it and the formula but so far I've found no one able to mix it. It has one very expensive tinter and they don't stock it. It looks as though we are going to have to take a guess at it and use an orange paint that is easy to source.

I have managed to get a sample of the paint used on Ed Levin's Fanalone but not sure that I like it as I much prefer the look of Franco Subbiani's 1600 Sport. I appreciate that colours are not always accurately reproduced in photographs and I may be completely wrong. It would be perfect if I could get hold of a panel painted in R-s-S and get as close a match as I can.

Time is running out and a decision has to be taken soon.

Robin.

So, whilst the paint saga continues, work on the shell progresses apace. The decision to replace the nearside wing has pushed the finish target date back somewhat but we are sure that it is the right decision. Using the original wing would have made it almost impossible to get a decent swage line, such was the damage inflicted on that wing during CUC's rallying days. However it's in place now, the door shuts have been fettled as close as we think we will ever get them and the extensive front panel and valance repairs have been completed. That leaves the rear valance, windscreen surround and one or two odds and ends to attend to. Then we will give the underside a coat of etch primer followed by another of black stone chip paint.

Meanwhile the sub frame, suspension units, steering gear and back axle have been dismantled, repaired as necessary and sent for blast cleaning along with a number of other bits and pieces. Hopefully they will be back to be painted and re-assembled whilst the shell is at the spray shop.

The gearbox is with Neil Shepherd awaiting various parts from Italy prior to re-assembled and a wiring loom is on order.

At the same time attention will be given to re-furbishing electrical and trim items and cleaning all the bright work.

We have now courtesy of Ebay found a pair of Cibie spots and covers (at a reasonable price!) and a pair of full harness seat belts again at a good price. Still searching for a pair of period seats, Corbeau GT4 or Alpine would be nice!

Jonathan assures me that we are still on schedule for Fulvia 50th! :)

Robin.

Robin

Glad you are not rushing it!! What a job. It will be well waiting for. and there will be many many opportunities to show it off this year and years to come!!

Tim

There needs to be a prize for "Heroic effort to attend".

David

I will be driving all the way from Harpenden.  I should be in with a shout for that surely?  It does involve the M25 after all.  ;D

Get in the queue! Coming from Colchester another 60 miles away.....

Er, Aberystwyth ;D Different country :D  makes my work look very tame, all the best Robin

OK guys, tracking down Rosso san Siro (Glasurit 212) is getting critical as CUC is booked to go to the painters a week today! Extensive inquiries have drawn a complete blank.

So, does anyone know of a Fulvia in this colour from which I can get a colour match?

Robin.

Long shot but try these people who I got an exact paint match for Grigio escoli for me from a paint code:

http://www.rsbikepaint.com/en-gb/colours.php

And this car is in Suffolk but no idea if correct Lancia colour...

http://www.premiumclassiccars.com/carlistings/1971-lancia-fulvia-coupe-s2-1-3/

Modified....

Is not Neil Sheppard's Competzione in this colour?? If so he may know of some sources??

Here's some photos of Neale's car. Not so much a modified Sport, more an original "Competizione" car with some of Neale's embellishments.

Colin

Eureka!! We have located the Rosso San. But, like buses that always come in 2s so too with the paint!

Folowing up all the suggested leads the first to come up trumps courtesy of Jonathan (Bruciebonuz) was the RS Bike Paint company. They instantly located the colour and could mix it but only in cellulose. Ordered a small quantity in the hope that I might be able to get a match in 2 Pack.

When I collected the Fulvia Berlina from Richard Fridd he took me to Kent Car Panel and Paint Centre in Maidstone. The guy who mixed the paint was not there so they could not help. However, today he said that he had found a Lechler colour chip for it  and could mix it. So shot over for a sample, brushed it on to a panel and it is just what we want. :)

Many thanks guys for all the help.

Robin.

Hi Colin

You are of course correct but since those photos it is much more modified...

Tim

Go back a couple of posts for an update on the paint saga.

Good progress once again with the welding almost completed now so the shell is booked to go to the paint shop this coming Friday. They say 2 weeks and it should be back with us.

Subframe, suspension, steering, rear axle and all the small bits and pieces should be back from the blasters this week. Wiring loom scheduled for 1st April and stainless steel sleeved rear brake caliper pots back this week.

So, soon be reassembling which will no doubt bring its own problems. Anyone got a pair of decent rear light units to save me having to resort to Italian Ebay?

Robin.

Yipeeee!!! Fanalone went to the paint shop yesterday. Absolute joy to walk into the workshop and not see it standing there demanding more attention. Before it went we re-made and fitted Barry's fire barrier metal panel  to the rear seat back Paint man was very complimentary about the quality of the repairs and reckons two weeks tops to complete the job. We'll see!!

Meanwhile back at the ranch no let up, well not for Jonathan at any rate, I'm off to France for three weeks on Monday. :D The running gear came back from the blast cleaners yesterday and now needs painting and re-assembling. Wheels are away on Monday for refurb and parts from Cavalito awaited to complete gearbox rebuild.

Robin.

One rear light on ebay if you are still looking...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LANCIA-FULVIA-COUPE-REAR-LAMP-LENS-BACKPLATE-GENUINE-CARELLO-PART-/290885873612?ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123

Tim

Thanks Tim, looks worth a bid.

Robin.

Got this one for £25, hope its as good as it looks!

1 to go!

Robin.

Back from 3 weeks in France and up to speed once more!

Jonathan has been busy in my absence making unobtainable thrust washers for the gearbox rebuild and repairing a badly damaged bottom suspension arm.

The shell was left with the paint shop when I left and although they made a good start initially and promised to finish in a couple of weeks that has stretched to nearly five weeks! However fingers crossed it should be painted and back with us by the weekend.

All the running gear and bits and bobs have been blasted and painted and front sub-frame and rear axle are being reassembled. Engine has been de-greased, wheels are back from repair, and the roll cage and head lining have been delivered. Rear brake cylinders have had stainless steel liners fitted.

I've not been idle during my holiday mainly wielding my debit card to purchase all the bits and pieces necessary to complete the job. :o

1 month to Fulvia50th! I wonder?!!

Robin.

More pics.

Robin.

Rosso San Siro !!!  8)

Robin

That is a serious colour Robin, brilliant progress keep the posts coming please !!

                                   Andy

Excellent colour! Will the bonnet be matt black?

Wonderful.......gathering momentum......a final push...........and thats only with your debit card!


P

Jury's out on that at the moment but personally I'd like to do it.

Robin.

GREAT colour.

I'm another vote for the black bonnet.  Eventually that's what BWE put all over their cars.

David

Robin,
looks great, I have a period Alexander bendy map reading light that would look good as well as being useful, I was just about to put it on ebay but I'd rather it go to a good home, would you like it?

Brian
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Very kind of you Brian, I'm overwhelmed with gratitude by the number of offers I've had for items to aid the restoration. However, I had a Butler flexie light for Christmas and have since uncovered Barry's original Lucas light.

Now, if someone has a Halda Twinmaster I could beg borrow or steal....! :D

Robin

Looking at these photos it's the  first time this year that I have had to put my sunglasses on!!!

It looks stunning.  A black bonnet would be great and I haven't seen another orange Fanalone with that look - a few orange with orange bonnet and a stripe but none with the matt black (Lukas has it on his blue racing car).  A nice matt black Sebring mirror perhaps as a compliment?

Some of you will remember Lancia mechanic Ian Kemp who worked at Tilleys Burgess Hill Sussex in the 70s. I keep in touch with him and he has come up with the attached picture of Barry Waterhouse rallying the Fanalone way back then.

Only action shot we've come across so far and a fantastic addition to the history file.

Robin.

And the colour matches, with no black bonnet ;)

Brian
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Hi Brian,

Black bonnet if you look closely.


Robin.

What colour is the rear panel. In the old photo?(I know it's dusty!)

I seem to remember that it was white!

Robin.

ERE, you ain't got time to chat on here you have a Fanalone to build for the 50th ;) ;)  looks great Robin

Failing eyesight! got it now :-[

brian
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That's great progress Robin, looking forward to seeing the finished car at Fulvia 50.

This is Barrys first ever event in the Fanalone - June 1973 Tour of Links. He finished 84th and 4th in class.

Many will have seen it before, but for those who haven't there is an article originally from C+CC April 1974

Nick,

Great photograph, many thanks.

Richard,

The article you refer to is reproduced in the first post on this thread.

Robin.

Thanks for the reminder Robin, and an excellent photo Nick has posted. Richard

Just in case you were all wondering (worrying?!) progress is being made on the Fanalone. However, time constraints, family illness and a new camera phone which refuses to let me download photographs have all conspired to thwart my intention to keep you updated. I'll try and post something later today.

Back to the workshop - 12 days to go!

Robin

Robin, keep up the good work, I hope you make it, my Coupe is progressing steadily, wiring woes might scupper my plans!

I think you are just teasing us , keeping us tenterhooks and waiting for the next installment ......

Remember doing the car is way way more important than keeping us informed. We can wait, the Fulvia 5oth will not !!!!

Whenever you post the next record of progress I am sure that I will again be in awe of the quality and the pace of the progress that you have continued to make since day one !!!!

                                  Andy 

Still no joy with getting the photos off my new phone/camera except for the one attached taken last evening. >:(

So, update. Collected the rebuilt gearbox from Neale Shepherd on Monday who very kindly supplied a clutch plate as they aren't available, relining being the only option. Completed the re-assembly of the front sub-frame, fitted the engine and gearbox and installed in the car last evening. Used an ingenious (well, I think so!) method for the installation which I will elaborate on when I can post the photos!

Rear axle is in and only needs shocks and brake pipe connections to complete. Wiring is well on the way, roll cage mountings welded in, period seats arrived yesterday, tyres being fitted today and the myriad of other small but essential cleaning and polishing jobs plus sourcing all those little bits and pieces that I find I've forgotten. Bonnet and boot are not painted yet but they assure me they will be done this weekend!

One week to go! :o

Robin.

Pictures added 9.06.2013

Front sub-frame in car method referred to above was effected by hanging the front of the car from the A post forward over the front of the 4 post lift, pushing the sub-frame underneath and lowering the lift to position the shell onto the subframe. Piece of cake!

Robin.

Looks wonderful Robin, here is another ingenious solution

No pressure then Robin ;D
Brian
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Hope they put plenty of strength back in :o

Brian
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Its the home straight !!!!!!!!!!

fingers and everything else crossed - good luck !

Looking mighty iffey at the moment that the Fanalone will make it to Fulvia 50.. Loads of midnight oil being burnt but still the wiring to finish, brakes to bleed, windscreen, bonnet, boot and doors to fit and MOT to get!

Sorry, still no photos, just can't spare the time to find out why I can't download them from the new phone/camera.

Robin.

Pictures added 9.06.2013

Keep everything crossed chaps, MOT booked for 8am Friday morning! :o

Robin.

My god you will be fast asleep on Saturday!!! Well done for getting here so far. Fingers are crossed. ;D

Good luck!

Fingers crossed !

Put us out of our misery Robin....!

Robin, I hope you have been successful  with you MoT, mine has passed today too, less side windows, I hope the weather improves for tomorrow for all of us at Goodwood.

Ok Jonathan ( bruciebonuz) got the magic piece of paper at 6pm this evening! Just too much to do to get it to the MOT by 8am even though we worked half the night. Performed well and sailed through with no problems and yes Neil, it is wet and drafty driving a Fulvia with no side windows. :o

So, late night tonight I guess fitting the windows and a few other bits and bobs and although she will still be very much a work in progress she should be at Goodwood tomorrow. Don't be too hard on her guys, lots of detailing still to do.

Robin.

I share your feelings. My MOT was granted at lunchtime today. It is still running on snow tyres and has handouts of stages across the Alps littering the rear floor. See you at Goodwood.

Tremendous effort Robin. No snobbery here when it comes to cosmetic presentation. As with the Berlina, my Flaminia PF will be of WIP appearance at Brands and the polo club event next week (touch wood!) Richard

Phenomenal effort.  Huge admiration for the amount of work done in the timeframe.  Look forward to seeing you all tomorrow.  If the sun doesn't shine a certain orange car should provide some brightness!

Robin,
Just be pleased to see you there after your marathon task.
Brian
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I can't wait to see it - and nor do I have to.

Well done !!!

David

Jonathan drove the Fanalone out of the workshop and home at 1am this morning and she looked and sounded wonderful. :) Now all I have to do is check the Dilambda over before setting off for Goodwood.

And the suns shinning!  8)

Robin.

The Morning After the Night Before!    Pictures added 9.06.2013 Sorry, second one is blurred which I blame on excitement and lack of sleep! ::)

A couple of pics from Fulvia 50 today. Well done Robin & Jonathan!

How satisfying was that  to make Fulvia 50 with the Fanalone? Many thanks guys for the encouragement over the last six months and the kind comments on the day. Much appreciated.

Special thanks to Tony Seiler who arrived from South Africa on Wednesday and spent the first two days of his and Shelley's holiday completing the re-wiring. Without his help we would not have made it.

She performed in amazing fashion considering that there was no time for a shake down. We both had ear to ear grins out on track during the afternoon session.

A break for a week or two to get some necessary maintenance done on the Dilambda prior to the Sliding Pillar Rally.

Robin and Jonathan.

I like the proper number plate.  That mirror suits it. 

What's the detail under the headlights?  Is it a bumper mount blanker or something?

I can't remember if there's anything for door cards yet.  In the photo above I like the body colour and detail on the top edge.  It would be a shame to cover that part.

What's on the to-do list still?   Is there running in to do before a rolling road?  Any particular plans for and with it? 

David

Amazing! well done, and following Robin home (for a while) in his Dilambda was an experience with its random backfiring!!!

Tim

Jonathan had a trying journey from Goodwood to Winchester via Haywards Heath. The carb to manifold rubbers gave out, the petrol pipe from the tank to the boot mounted pump failed and the rear gearbox mounting loosened and allowed the box to vibrate horrendously. Shouldn't be too difficult to rectify!

Robin.

If that is all after a major rebuild, it's not bad .....

Problems on the way home don't really count.  It was great the car was there at all, let alone running, and got there under its own power (mustn't say steam...) AND it did track sessions. 

David

Thanks David, it was good to meet up with you at Goodwood.

The stainless steel covers on the front and rear valances cover the holes left by the removed bumper mountings
and were standard a addition to the Fanalone.

Door cards will probably be as original spec and the black bonnet will probably be extended to the wing tops. Sorry!

Lots of detail finishing to do although not sure yet how far we will go with the interior trim. Head lining to fit but no rear seat and maybe (al a Barry) no dash board wood etc. Full harness belts to fit. Hope to have it pretty well finished by the AGM.

We'll run it around for the summer and hope to take it to one or two events but no other firm plans for the future.

Robin.

Robin, I'm sure those ear to ear grins will be repeated on numerous occasions !!!

An incredible effort to achieve so much in such a short time and to only have those relatively minor problems after an a inaugural run that included track time is remarkable.

Now you can both enjoy the fruits of your labours throughout, what I hope will be, an beautiful summer.

Best wishes,

                 Andy

Beautiful car and a real credit to you. I agree - problems on the way home dont count....and they are all minor problems after all. I look forward to seeing it and you again.
Chris

Well the dust has settled and some of the problems that plagued Jonathan post Goodwood have been sorted.

The carb mounts have been cleverly repaired by Jonathan, the petrol pipe replaced and the faulty rear gearbox mounting bolt replaced. The first picture shows the spacer rusted to the bolt which stopped it tightening up fully. So badly rusted was it that it resisted all attempts to remove the spacer that it had to be cut off. Should have noticed it when it was being reassembled but we were in a bit of rush at the time! Various other bits and pieces not essential to making Fulvia 50 have been attended to and we hope to have pretty much everything completed in time for the AGM.

Pictures 2 and 3 are courtesy of Roddy Young and the 4th Peter Baker. Many thanks both.

Robin.

Finally managed to download the photographs from my mobile phone and I thought it best to insert them in the right chronological order. So, you'll have to go back to page 6 if you want to catch up on them.

I've realized that I took none during that last week! I wonder why?!  ???

Robin.

Worth the wait - thank you !

It was an amazing feat to go from zero to the Fulvia 50th in such a short time, did any of you sleep ?

Robin, a truly astonishing feat accomplished in an incredibly short time, congratulations.

Now I hope you and Jonathon will have a wonderful summer of Lancia bliss.

 Best wishes,

                Andy

Given the glacial pace of my projects this thread is both inspirational and depressing.  Mainly inspiration though!

Congratulations to the workers. 

I decided some years ago that trying to restore cars to a deadline took the a lot of the pleasure out of the work, but having see the Lacey family prepare for Fulvia 50, all I can say is that (to borrow the US vernacular) Deadlines Rock.

William

In Nick Mason's "Into the Red" book (with a brilliant CD) he says how any rebuild takes a year unless the breakage happens in qualifying in which case its done overnight and on the grid the next morning.

The trouble with deadlines is something has got to give, and not all of us are in a position to do so...  I used to get frustrated, really frustrated, at missing deadlines until I clocked that I missed them for good reasons, because there was more important stuff I needed to be doing.

Another angle is that when you've finished one you've only got to find yourself another ;)

David

Indeed, J has already told me to slow down .....

Well, we didn't get the Fanalone to the AGM. It was suffering from what appears to be chronic fuel starvation and with no time to investigate Jonathan had no option but to leave it at home. Very disappointing. :(

Robin.  

Fit an electric pump!
http://www.fuelpumpsonline.co.uk/  (gave me very good service)
plus, of course, a pressure regulator and a couple of filters.

Thanks for the thought David but we are already on a Facet solid state pump which has an inbuilt filter,
and a Filter King with pressure regulator.

Robin.

Robin, do you have a filter in the tank around the pickup pipe, you can get to it by removing the sump plug on the tank, it is more of a gauze than a fine filter, may be that is blocked? You need to collect the fuel if you remove the plug.  ;)

When I undid my tank drain plug the Bl**dy filter thing had disintegrated and the two side pieces flipped out to prevent the plug being fully removed with net result petrol sprayout side ways missing the catchment container and covering the garage floor...... You have been warned.

Anyway the filter gauze can be replaced with a nylon cylindrical changeable fuel filter found in good car accessory shops.

Tim

Thanks Neil. The tank was drained, thoroughly flushed out, the filter cleaned and the interior coated with tank sealant during the rebuild.

Not sure where Jonathan is at with the investigation but we've ordered a set of overhaul gaskets for the carbs and the Filter King.

Robin.

Robin.

The first test might be to pump fuel into a jar at the carb inlet against the clock.

Did the fuel pressure regulator come with a screw in gauge?  I've not seen one in the metal before but stumbled on it somewhere online recently.

http://www.fuelpumpsonline.co.uk/malpassi-filter-king-fuel-pressure-regulator-85mm-clear-or-alloy-36-p.asp

David

Metal filterking is for racers. Dont buy one with plastic bowl as modern fuel softens it and they leak...

Normally if the mech fuel pump is working it will deliver without need of regulation.

Jonathan has stripped and rebuilt the 48 Dellortos using comprehensive overhaul kits, checked the pump filter, overhauled the Filter King fitting new gaskets and spring, fitted a new set of points and she's running better than ever.  :) Another case of not knowing which was at fault or maybe it was a mix of all.

He also machine tapered the two faces of the inlet manifold which has lowered the carbs, had the radiator re-cored reducing the height by 20mm and lowered the height of the water manifold and the temperature sender. All of  which has resulted in the bonnet shutting level with the wing tops without fouling the carbs and radiator.  :)

Robin.

If ever a few road miles were well deserved...

David

Anyone got a decent piece of the trim in the photo for the Fanalone they would be willing to sell me? The one we have is in very poor shape.

Robin.

Pleased to say that Phil Mitchell (phil-m) sold me the trim I was looking for in very nice condition. Many thanks Phil.

Robin.

Well, the race is on again!  :o

The Fanalone is due on the LMC stand at the NEC on Thursday afternoon and having only just returned from 3 weeks in France, the list of bits and bobs to be attended to was frightening to say the least! AND Jonathan is not available!  :( However, managed to tick off some of the list over the weekend and delivered her to the painters today to mat black the bonnet and wing tops. Should be back with me tomorrow so two days should be enough eh? :-\

See you all there.
Robin.

Looking forward to seeing it at last tomorrow Robin!

See you there.

Barry! You shall go to the ball! ;D

Trailer necessitated by a transmission difficulty.

See you all there.

Robin.

Well done Robin and Jonathan, a very well deserved opportunity to display the result of your incredible effort, expertise and, above all, determination!!!!

I am very sorry that I will not be there to see it for myself, family health matters, but I will be with you in spirit.

Best wishes,

                     Andy

Seriously pretty motor car !

Made it! Most enjoyable weekend.

Robin.

Hi Robin, tried to shake out the awful lighting effects.

And we made the show guide too!  ;D
Thanks to Tim Heath

Robin.

Chatted with Neale Shepherd at the NEC Classic Car Show and he wants the gearbox back to suss out the transmission problem. So, box is out and back to him tomorrow.

Robin.

Just to bring this tread up to date.

Stripping the gearbox revealed teeth missing from 4th gear and damage to 5th. Neale's article on the 1st Series Fulvia 1.6 HF Gearbox (551 VL June 2014) explains in detail what he believes to have been the cause of the failure and the repair effected.

All has been well since including surviving rigorous testing at the Goodwood Track Day and Castle Combe Rally Day.

Robin.

Roger Elias came across this photograph of CUC 20H recently on Facebook showing the poor thing after Barry had seriously modified it.

I'd not seen it before so a very welcome addition to the collection. Thanks Roger.

Now Robin, answer truthfully, are there not times when ignorance is bliss??

What a beautiful car she is now though, all credit to you, Jonathan and your team.

                                    Andy

Was this rally cross????

Ouch !

Fanalone has been a bit neglected lately (2 x Dilambda taking precedence) and then we realised that the MOT ran out last May. So, we spent a day going through everything yesterday and got the certificate today with no advisories. 8)

Getting reacquainted with her highlighted several things that still need sorting the biggest of which is the carburettors. When Barry rallied CUC he fitted 48 Dellortos and as it came to us fitted with them we have run with them. But! they are way to big for a 1600cc half race engine and she's a pig to drive on the road. An absolute nightmare under 4000rpm. So, on the advice of our local rolling road and tuning establishment the carbs are on Ebay and we'll fit either 40s or 45s. Then tune them up on the rolling road.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/191809148956_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Better see if we can get a slot on the track day. :o

Robin & Jonathan
P.S. I've just read through this thread - did we really put ourselves through all that stress. :o

Quote .........  "P.S. I've just read through this thread - did we really put ourselves through all that stress."

Yes, you did Robin!!! and I am sure that it has been worth every bit of it!!!

We should all look in awe at what you achieved in such a short time!!!

                                  Andy

Robin,

Pleased to confirm your slot. Goodwood needs your car!

What a great read and such amazing history. Do you still have the KN Gemini wheels? Every Fulvia that went through my late father Bob Wilkinson had these wheels as pictured on Barry’s HF. Would love to get a period set as a tribute to my dad and his Jolly Club UK association.