Lancia Motor Club

a few months ago I did a deal on a restoration job with a customer, he had 2x 1600hfs and I have to build 1 good car and end up with everything else, anyway I picked the worse body shell for myself so thought id share a few fotos of the horrors uncovered and the progress made, so far its had 2x A posts subframe boxes and center membranes, 2x alloy doors , alloy bonnet and bootlid, front slam panel, ns front chassis leg, 4x wing repair panels fitted to 4 replacement wings that are now fitted to the car, in total there are 10different cars worth of second hand salvaged panels on the car and only the roof and scuttles are original, car is now increadably strong and straight, rear arches have been extended to the correct profile as the replacement panels were too narrow, I copied these off the other shell as it has its original arches ALL 4!!!!!, see what you think I'll try to put some more pics of how the car looks now up when I get time

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James...that is horrific...makes my B 12 look like its just off the production line... ;D

As ever your skills and persistence are above and beyond the call of duty...keep it up, truly awesome


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I like a challenge  ;) there was more expanding foam holding it together than weld!!! anyway i'm just gratefull that I've ended up with it had a cracking deal in all and it will make a really good 1600 in the end, forgot to mention it had alreadt had new front and rear panels and a rear lower valence before I started, and whilst I was repairing the front end I replaced the panel between the headlamp panels below the front grill, all 4 inner arches, both sill closing panels behind the front wheels on the inner wings, probably more that ive forgotten about, whats pleasing is the lads in the body shop next door just laughed at it in the beginning and said it was scrap, now they are impressed and actually believe my theory that anything is repairable, rear arches were the biggest achievement, had 3 panel beaters stood watching me lead load them in total disbelief at how well they turned out and how easily they were modified,  ;D

James....do you yourself and accrued skills over the last number of years....a dis-service........well done, good to see the old skills being put to good use and hopefully inspiring a few others!

Get them back in and teach them how to do it....the lead loading that is...:)


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some more early pre repair pics

more.......told you it was bad  ;)

It's a bit like those cutaway (is  that whet they were called ??) drawings you used to get in Autocar and such ....

Do you use a jig to keep it in place ? There's not a lot holding it together .....

My knee jerk reaction when I see that you've posted is "he always makes it look too easy" and to be wanting you to find something that will really challenge.  I must say this one was a monster and I'm really impressed at how you've slain it.

Hat's off.  What a task.  I don't think I've ever seen anything come back from worse.

Over the hill with it or some more "what have I got myself into here" moments still to come?

David

thanks guys, spent about 4 weeks with the welder of time, im actually pleased with the end result as it needs minimal filler work, every panel needs skimming but there are no huge dents or ripples, I will do my best to take some more photos over the weekend, ive not posted for a while as im working 7 days a week at the moment, at the unit at the moment I have 2 fulvias inc this 1, 2 x aprilias, (1 is mine.....well now my mum and dads) an augusta a morris minor, a tr8 healy 3000 and Porsche 356a, on there way another augusta, another aprilia, a lambda and an ardea so pretty busy!!!, even though myself and Lee share a unit we also share jobs, I do the steel work and filler, he does final prep and paint (he's got an oven) but between us it all works out well, ive brought my dad out of retirement at the moment doing mechanical repairs for me and took another member of staff on to help with the body work,

Great...the Parry dynasty firing on all cylinders........what an outfit!

Don't know how you do it.....but do it you do.


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James, that is a truly incredible achievement. Having seen the mess that purported to be a car when you first started I have an idea of exactly how much you have achieved ........  and so quickly.

I hope to be up your way soon and look forward to seeing you and the car in all its glory.

                                                Andy

Hats off to you James, a truly heroic effort. Having been to hell and back with our Fanalone I have some idea of the effort required to resuscitate a seemingly hopeless cause. However, as you know from previous experience it's all well worth the effort in the end.

I was only remarking to Margaret this morning how strange it is to wake up and not be immediately in thought about the Fanalone rebuild.  :)

Robin.

...yeah........ in a cold sweat..........;)

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this is where its at at the moment, all the metal work is done except the os door needs 2 stress cracks welding up, hopefully will be starting the body prep over the next few months "between jobs!!"

lookin' like an HF!! Keep up the great work.

Tim

Looking very smart James............an awful lot of work, fill her full of WaxPARRYoyl...... ;D... to preserve for a generation......but then if a keeper,  you get to enjoy her for such a long time......brill


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you need to get a hobby mate 8)

How did you shape the lead?   Just the paddle so far or with files or abrasives?

David

rough it out with the paddle, then used a body file and die grinder with a soft flexi pad, then a DA (duel action air sander) , potentially lethal way of doing it because of all the lead dust flying around, good ventilation and a quality dust mask, roger any suggestions for a hobby are welcome  ;)

sorry simon I've only just read your post properly, to answer the question no I didn't, how I repaired it was to cut out as little structural steel as possible in 1 go, I started by cutting off the outer sill and only the very bottoms of the wings, I repaired the A post and subframe boxes and outer sills 1st, as I was doing this I took carefull measurements off my s3 (totally original un welded) and off the other 1600 here which again is very original, I also measured down from the subframe to a level floor to make sure the sill heights and subframe were square and equall side to side and corner to corner, once the main chassis structure was sound I cut off a pair of wings at a time and tack welded them into place, then I removed the remaining two wings and tacked them into place, only reason everything was tacked 1st was to make sure everything lighned up correctly before any panel was welded in solid, I spent aslong with the tape measure as I did with the welder and its all worked out nice

Super job!

a little more progress, getting ready for shot blasting and new floor pans and boot floor

I would love one of these spit-roasters, the "joys" of welding upside down with hot underseal dripping down your arm ......gone in an instant

!st time ive used it, stole it off Lee next door and fell in love with it, awesome bit of kit ;D ;D

Intrigued by the name of the photos... "damaged police wheels"......

haha, my main business is a tyre depot and we do all the police vehicles for the Wrexham area , when I downloaded all the pictures off my camera and saved to the pc I stored them under that file name, if any wheels are damaged on a police vehicle they must be replaced and photo's taken and sent to their fleet office, I had 2 in on the same day as I took the pictures of the fulvia

Simon, I hope the attachments are here, they are from P5 of my 'B20 Story' thread and relate to my rotisserie which has been invaluable. Pages 4 and 5 of the thread tell the story. I still consider it to be the best bit of kit that I have bought to date!!

                          Andy


 They are available from 'mk2mania', a company that specialises in work on Mk2 Escorts, especially for the rally scene, web address, www.mk2mania.co.uk. The model is the 'de luxe rotator' and the price, a very reasonable £240 plus £40 delivery incl VAT.    They will not provide the brackets to attach the shell to the jig, but these may be readily fabricated by a competent welder. Obviously the mounting points on the shell will need to be structurally sound !!

I have no link with the company, but suggest that if you think it might help with work on your car, do have a look at their website, especially the youtube clip showing it in use and do check the caveat as to its use.

                         Andy





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had a go at making repair panels for the floor and bulkhead today, turned the car upside down and supported it under the bulkhead by the heater fan to take any excessive load off the chassis legs as I needed to remove the front subframe to acces all the rot/bad previous repairs, for a 1st attempt i'm fairly pleased, not exact but near enough for my own car, weld it all up tomorrow

I can see that you had fun with the swaging machine. The subframe boxes will be much easier this way up - still v jealous !

Being impressed by these new floor sections, I wonder whether you have tried making any sections with the circular pressings in them.

Simon , I think we're all "jealous/envious" of each other, if I could I would have a lambda , your van, fulvia zag 037 s4 another integrale blah blah blah, big problem is ALL Lancias have some sort of appeal and i'd love a bigger collection however.......you can only drive 1 at a time  :(

not yet, really they need to be done with a fly press which I do not have....YET !!! , I tend to buy tools as I need them and cant justify one just yet, I want a deep throat shinker stretcher and a cast iron English wheel 1st however as funds allow I will get one

more pictures of floor repairs

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cars still coming along but slowly due to the amount of work we have on customers cars (I'm NOT complaining though!!) floors and sills are pretty much finished, boot floor is another story, patch on top of patch and a real mess, I decided to bite the bullet and just cut it all out and start again, I've made an intire boot floor for the car and at the moment I'm making the center cross member that the panhard rod attatches too as even that was pretty much beyond, its taken 2 days to cut the floor out as it was such a mess, floors not fitted yet but hopefully will be in the next few days........if I get time

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There cannot be much left ..... seems like the holidays are going to be busy !

theres not much that hasn't been repaired or replaced!!!! however atleast I know it'll be right when its done  ;)

Good to see !!   

You'll have confidence in it.

Watching a car chase someone suggested my car being strong enough to "take some air" could be an ambition.  Yours will be ready for a Safari rally.

David

I must have cut 25kg of armour plate out of the car that someone has put in thinking they have made it strong when really the car was far weaker than standard, now it will be exceptionally strong with the sill and A post areas properly "beefed up", all this rear end work is standard just slightly heavier gauge steel so when painted will look "factory" the main thing is that the whole car is now seam welded in all the weak areas that are prone to failure so hopefully it will never go again, putting all the pressings back in the replacement panels has really strengthened up the panels too , on the whole I think it will make a very good car in the end and I've thoroughly enjoyed all the metal work, next week should be the big hand over to phil (my painter) for him to start the prep on the shell, all the alloy panels are done and in prima , underneath is just seam seal ,etch prime anti stonechip and colour and exterior is about 3 wks of prep and prime etc before colour, I doubt it will happen that quick as we have lots of customer vehicles either in at the moment or due in in the next few weeks mostly for major surgery and they will need priority over my toys

I've been following this with great interest. If I had the money for an HF I'd be chasing you now to sell it to me! That way I'd know I had a really well prepared car. As a layman though, I have to say it's all beyond me how all this work is done. I can't even imagine what's involved. I wish I did because it must be very satisying to own a car that you have brought back from the dead (which is why I like the fact David is saving that gorgeous Flavia Z). If I tried it would take me my whole life and the result would look like Father Teds panel beating efforts. Out of everything you've done though one simple thing puzzles me - how do you eventually get rid of every little trace of rust from a whole shell before the paint goes on?

by the time all the metal work is done there is very little rust left , I don't believe in this cure rust junk as I have known it to cause micro blisters in paint etc at a later date, best way is to shot blast out anything that's left and paint it properly , rust only continues if its in contact with either moisture or oxygen so as long as its sealed off with a good waxoil or paint it wont continue , my appia has been done now for 12 yrs and had this process , it was as rough as this fulvia and is still in concours condition , its kept in a damp garage and used every yr yet has survived well just from being protected well when finished

Having visited Chugga "garage" is to flatter the storage for his collection of mint Lancias.  Its a damp part of the country as well.  I'd trust him to paint oil rigs to last...

Going back 15 years I can remember looking at Omicrons work and thinking it was done the previous year and it turned out to be more than 20.  When its been done REALLY properly, like with a stainless exhaust, it will last pretty much forever.

Will that be the standard mine is done to?   I very much doubt it... 

I can remember Bernie Fisher urging me NOT to use wax in box sections and NOT to underseal when he was working on the Aurelia so that any problems would be very obvious and easily attended to.  Where I insisted on a lot of wax and an annual underseal back then I think I might take that advice for myself now.  Preservation becomes a maintenance task of regular inspection and swift rectification.  Its the "paint the underside of the car a nice bright light gloss" school of thought.  Not putting wax in the box sections?  I'm less convinced than with leaving the underseal off.

Butt weld not lap joint.  Paint the insides and backs of sections.

David

1st fitting

boot floor is now welded in solid, needs a little more work around the tank recess from underneath and a center cross member that the panhard rod connects to fabricating, fingers crossed that will all be done next week

And I thought CUC 20H was bad!  Talk about deja vu - brought me out in a cold sweat! :o

Go James! Great work.

Robin.

Parry logic : find the worst possible car available and repair it, = affordable project and hours of fun repairing it , me and dad are pretty much the same that we enjoy the restoration and challenge more than the driving,the worse condition the car is in the bigger the challenge yet the most satisfaction on completion strange maybe but keeps the old grey matter active and awake and I'm sure you can relate
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Brilliant!!

Any bead rolling tips?

David

as a beginner , I found 1 person turning the machine slowly whilst I fed the metal through, DO NOT try and go back over the swage in reverse just take the pressure off the rolls when you have finished the run that your doing, measure up and mark up the panel 1st and check it atleast twice as once you've put a swage in theres no going back!!!

Looking gorgeous James....Bill would be proud of you!!!


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yesterdays job was finishing making the center cross member that locates the panhard rod and fitting it to the car, not 100% finished yet but its getting there, I've tried to replicate the correct shape so it looks correct and not repaired

Rolling beads no issue with it warping or shrinking?   

David

yes they do distort , shrinking hammer and dolly sort it out fairly quickly though, when I welded the cross member in I clamped it to the boot floor as you can see but what you couldn't see was a length of inch box that I put on the boot floor to pull everything flat while welding, also the heat of the welds when everythings clamped shrink a lot of the distortion at the same time

This is looking very impressive!

thanks , I'm generally pleased with how its taking shape, I'm at the finishing stages of a customers 1600 at the moment which is really spuring me on to finish this car, I will put some pics of the customers car up when its finished as he doesn't mind but this is where its at at the moment

For a minute there i thought you were working REALLY fast James!  ;D Keep the news coming, these rebuild threads are the best things on the fora!

Guy

thanks Guy and everyone else who's given the comments, very encouraging and making me more determined it will be at this yrs agm

Just been in the garage to check mine is still there, and it is, phew  ;) ;)

few more pics of the shell being prepped for paint

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last photos are my battery tray, Phil said "can you mend that for me " so I did......sort of, much easier to just make a new 1

Wonderful...as ever James........great to see her coming on leaps and bounds

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You'll be off to the pub in the Fulvia next week !

I WISH!!!!!! still lots to do, all the nuts bolts brackets etc for the suspension are going for zinc plating in the next few days, all the chrome is done, going a little OTT with underneath as I want it to look as good as the top, always wanted to go "all out" and build something to the best of my ability (and budget) will put some pics up of the rusty bits before the go for plating and on their return

With those holes in the battery tray did you turn the edges with just a hammer and dolly or into a former or press them...?   Its very neat, pukka factory finish.

David

hmmm a little photo trickery I thaink David as I didn't actually put the little lips on as original, its just too much work to reproduce such a small lip without a former, lack of demand (I only needed 1) makes it not viable for me to go any further than I have with it, when fitted I doubt someone who didn't know that I'd made it would spot it , fits like a glove so pretty pleased with it, to be fair even side by side in the flesh it does look "original" a friend of mine commented today and couldn't believe it was "home made"  ;)

Some more incredible work, yet again James. That battery tray is very impressive, as you say, much easier to make a new one than to try to repair the moth-eaten remains of the original.

The waist line of the shell looks perfect, excellent work, keep at it !!!!!

                                                      Andy

its one thing that bugged me when the car 1st arrived was how wavey the swage line was, i'm terribly picky on panel gaps and swage lines etc so spent a lot of time fitting the repair sections to minimalise distortion , once you've ruined the swage line it never really looks right

You've done a great job - and another 1.6 HF saved which is very important. I see that 1600 prices at least seem to be rising a lot lately. Could it be that finally they are being recognised for what they are. Never understood why, with their fantastic motorsport history, Fulvia prices have remained low next to some of the primitive cars out there which seem to command ridiculous money. Although this has been good so far for those who want a Fulvia. So, what next? How about the Zagato with the broken back? Keep you busy for a month or two!

Fulvia with a broken back?   Perhaps another example of "easier to make a new one"...

David

I've seen the broken back Zagato on ebay and think even the numerous miracle workers that frequent this site might struggle there!

subframe and cross members ,rear axle and various other brackets etc gone for shot blasting, dropping this lot off for plating in the morning, we're all having a sweep stake in work to how much its going to cost ::)

Dread to think...

David

dropped it all off this morning, spoke to a loverly lady on the phone last night who was extremely helpful, anyway got to the company this morning and met the (theres always one!!) foreman, total arrogant idiot who spoke to me and his staff like I was scrapped off the sole of his shoe, quick call to my dad for some sensible reasoning to see if he thought I should just take my stuff and go or if I should trust this idiot with it all, total agreement from us both to take it away and find someone else to do it, so I went back and was greeted by a worker on a forklift truck, pleasant and polite asked if he could help so I briefly explained the situation and that I was taking my parts elsewhere, he asked me to wait while he got his boss so I did, I explained the whole situation to the owner of the company and explained that I was not having a go at him but as an employer myself if any of my staff spoke to a client or other member of staff in the manner that the foreman spoke to me I would fire them, he was very apologetic and looked at my parts , by way of apology everything blasted pickled and then plated..................wait for it...












£50!!!!!!!!!! :o pleased is not the word and looking at their standard of work i'm glad I've stayed with them

Result! I must get their details off you James


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http://www.alkemimetalfinishing.co.uk/

I take it you're going to give a fiver to your mate the foreman who was in on the act? £50, that's just brilliant. Bet nobody had £50 in the sweepstake.

Thanks........would need some chrome put on a couple of bumpers too....the B 12 way!


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hahaha nope, bets were between £200 & £500 , so end result was brilliant,  ;D

these are "the boys" for chrome can do mazac too 1st class service everytime
http://www.colonnademetal.com/index.html

Excellent, thanks once again

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I wonder what they would charge for a pair of Fulvia door handles if they are good with Mazac, good result on the other items.

£50 each they charged me, came back like new with no pits at all not a good picture but gives an idea, these handles were TRASHED before sending away

the marks are actually dirt  which the flash showed up, they are honestly fantastic

 a bit more done , made new brackets for rear inner wings above anti roll bar as they were missing (rotted off!!) battery tray is now in place,

That really does look bloody marvellous!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                Andy

Plus 1!

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thanks guys  :) really pleased with the progress , amazing how a little paint transforms something

Need a glass floor garage to enjoy that.

David

You mean an underlit mirrored floor surely!!!!


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Amazing indeed. Do you use 2 pack, zinc based primer or something else ? Cannot believe your story about the bolts/parts for plating ...... well done !

Amazing progress but now I'm feeling a little sad, this thread is approaching the end, won't be long before it's on the road. Same for the Appia Furgoncino, we're only going to be left with the South London Sport thread to follow….

Who am I kidding! James will soon start another rescue project thread!  ;D

Guy

I have a little progress to report on that one - and the Augusta. As ever with me its sorting the photos out...  A friend was laughing yesterday that I have "a camera" not a smart phone.   

David

hmmm big debate in work on this topic this week, phil wanted to use 2k epoxy prima (very American) and I refused, the system I use I know works and more importantly LASTS!!!!! I use a 2k etch prima which is not really 2k as it has no hardner , its very miss leading and prefere to call it 2 part etch prima as you add an acid/thinner to it and you use it as a wash prima rather than high build, eventually this will be scotched and over coated with 3m sprayable sealant then over coated whilst wet with prima and colour "wet on wet" , I always etch prime bare metal steel or alloy as I have seen 2k prima flake off bare steel from lack of adhesion , j

Guy still a long way to go on it yet! I would like it to be finished in the next 3>4 months however customers cars take priority, also I still have a nearly finished aprilia and ardea pickup and atleast 4 more of my own cars to do and 3 of my dads, so if was lucky enough to do 1 a year (unlikely) i'll still be posting for a while!!!!!  ::)

Guy
[/quote]Guy still a long way to go on it yet! I would like it to be finished in the next 3>4 months however customers cars take priority, also I still have a nearly finished aprilia and ardea pickup and atleast 4 more of my own cars to do and 3 of my dads, so if was lucky enough to do 1 a year (unlikely) i'll still be posting for a while!!!!!  ::)
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That's great news James! What's next?? Do the Forum watchers have any say in it???? Aurelia? Flaminia?

Guy

Do you have a Flaminia? Always liked the Coupe….

B20 on my dads list of to do's  ;) I really want to finish my pickup next and my dad wants to spruce up the astura so I think they will be next, no flaminia however I do have a plan for some flaminia running gear that I have, watch this space

So much (immaculately reproduced) new metal - when does a restoration become a replica??  Only joking!

David,
I would draw the line at BMC/MG type restorations that still retain their originaiity on paperwork after having complete new bodyshells !! It's one thing replacing a body when you have a seperate chassis, but totally another when it has an integral chassis even though the running gear is original.

Brian
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to be fair probably 60% of its Italian steel !!!  :D anyway ive been training josh today in building "heritage shells"  ;)

Wowee! Those shots of the painted floorpan could have been in the factory! No, thinking about, they didn't prepare to your standard.

picked up the parts from the platers  ;)

I was so pleased with quality and price............I got some more together to go off next week  :o

£50 for that ! - take the whole car .....

now do you see why I'm taking more!!!! as the engine is stripped I thought it would be rude not to send the bots off and as my dad has a stripped gearbox those bolts may aswell go too, got a little panicy as the car for reshell was stripped so everything off this car is now on the other 1 , so I found a bucket of bolts and chucked a load of those in too for good measure, stripped a servo today so that can go , bargain though and great quality, most of the parts were in a terrible state a few need to be redone where there is serious corrosion which I will blast then send back but 99.99% of the stuff came back perfect, also for the money I could hardly complain !!!

Its like Xmas, only better James, bet you enjoyed opening those parcels, result!


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I was over the moon with it all, busy gathering other parts and taking things to pieces ie wiper motor linkage, bonnet stay, wishbone nuts and bolts etc to send with the next batch, cant wait to put it together now, colour choice of the week is amaranto Montebello as I've not seen an S2 HF in this colour yet, all the other colours I actually like have already been done, all the other colours are rare and I feel for a reason

James , jest not, if he shows any interest........has even gotten the smallest of buzzes out of just trying it once, its a great time to let them learn from a master.......


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That sky blue I liked - the other would be a braver choice.  The dark red especially with the yellow stripes is lovely...but would it then look like a "tribute" to the earlier HFs...?

David

There is a very nice 'baby blue' around at the moment on Citroen C3/4's which I've often thought might look good on a Fulvia. In the same vein as the old Iris Blue of the Frogeyes.

Looking amazing!

more progress, shell was masked up and bare metal etch primed

then its 1st 2k high build prima to see where we're at with it

Sooooo nice !

Looks like its fresh out the model kit box. 

David

I bet the blokes next door have stopped laughing................

oh yes  ;D I've known Lee for the best part of 20 yrs, cracking lad and excellent painter, its funny really as he enjoys what I hate an visa versa, he always admires what I do and the projects we take on but always pokes fun (in a joking manor) at the same time, when the car was upside down and we made the floors etc Lee  and Dave were both full of admiration and praise but as with all garages theres a lot of teasing and banter between us

James.....how did it fair out after the 1st high build primer and/or 2nd/3rd coat(?)....much rubbing/fettling to do, recommended make you use?

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it needs a fair amount of re-work as there are parts i'm/phil are not happy with, this is usually the case with most major rebuilds that have this many repairs,

2nd prime done last week, reblocked again and ready for another (final) prime , this was pre rework, if I get time I will take some more pictures of it as it is now tomorrow

Excellent James, yet another stunning example of your bodywork skills.

                         Andy

thanks Andy, I can safely say its straight now!!!

Lovely - I like it in white ......

Lovely - that 3rd shot makes you realise what a beautiful shape the rear wings are with the pointed top etc. Decided on the colour yet?

I like white but then I am biased!!

Yours does look very nice Tim. If I'm not mistaken, yours is slightly off white, which I prefer to a briliant white.

Lancia Saratogo white is more grey than yellow white if you get my drift.

still cant decide  ??? I may end up putting the colours (names) in a hat and just picking 1 at this rate!!!

Not a coupe colour but I think it would look nice in series 1 Berlina Doncaster Grey, but like Tim, I'm biased ;D

Brian
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Are you drifting away from the "original orange"?   I think it would look fantastic...

David

Strange you should say that Brian. I'm not sure what Doncaster Grey looks like but only the other day I saw a HF coupe for sale in plain dark grey. It was bumperless with just the HF stickers and looked stunning. So much so that in the parallel universe where I am obscenely wealthy I would have mine done the same colour.

I really don't know what to do, its frustrated me that much that I even considered selling the car last night! I've NEVER struggled with colour choices before and without bragging I'm more than pleased with the colour choices I have made on my other vehicles, problem I have now is I really want to finish the pickup and have lost a little interest in the HF, my routes are sliding pillar and that's what really "does it" for me, I have seen sence though and will finish the HF however it maybe up for grabs when done to fund something that interests me more, this forum doesn't help, after seeing the £135k b20 forsale its bringing back childhood memories of my dads old car CLU220B which he swapped with eddie gee for the astura, as you know he has another 6th series sitting around for restoration with ex maglioli engine, decisions decisions !!! ::)

Ians car being valeted for collection this week

That's a little beauty. The wheels look especially sharp.

[/quote] when done to fund something that interests me more, this forum doesn't help, after seeing the £135k b20 forsale its bringing back childhood memories of my dads old car CLU220B which he swapped with eddie gee for the astura, as you know he has another 6th series sitting around for restoration with ex maglioli engine, decisions decisions !!! ::)
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...aha...ha....decisions ...decisions.........me thinks Papas special 6th, ney...unique 6th series might just tip the balance........


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certainly does, however I've "been told" by him that I'm not allowed to sell it unless its serious money and he also said that I'd regret it! we shall see, as the late Norman Stewart said to my father "you can only drive 1 so why have more" this is very true and out of the 5 Lancia's we have on the road its always the augustas that seem to get used

James, I suspect the 6th series might in the not too distant future, take its pride of place in the fleet.......from what I've seen in the short period I've been interested in Lancias and having witnessed your ongoing work, accumulated experiences in restoring a range of Lancias,  that the 6th series might well become the culmination of your work and indeed your fathers passion to date........

The B 20 when restored won't have a price on it.........


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well after driving Ians car today for the 1st time on the road my enthusiasm has been more than revitalised ! so definatly 100% NOT SELLING!!! Ians car has a "proper" engine, 45's group 4 inlet and exhaust , variante 1016 cams blah blah blah, my engine is much the same spec and my dad wanted me to build it standard as he felt all the mods would make it undrivable , I agreed until Ian told me to have a go of his car, I was shocked at how tame it could drive through a village and how wild it was on the open road, so , plan of action, get my dad behind the wheel  ;) he finally agreed to "take it around the block" with Ian, 20 mins later he came back with an "ear to ear grin" and totally agreed on doing all the mods to the engine, so that made me leave his house with an ear to ear grin and thanking Ian for persuading him (by use of his car) , talking of ear to ear grins Ian seamed over the moon with his car and said it was "way more" than he expected

The question is James, is it as noisy as my exhaust is  :(

can I answer "no comment" I really don't want to be involved  :) yes it was noisy but open carbs and a group 4 exhaust sing their own song, sounded AMAZING!!!  still buzzing after my 4 mile drive that I did 9 hrs ago! it was brilliant!

Phew!!!   

So now what colour...

David

stratos red......maybe.....Ians cars kinda grown on me too though  :D

Stratos red/orange would be a fabulous colour on it...

Making things from wood a couple of times items have reached a stage when the customer says "it would be a shame to paint it". I've learnt to have faith and to remind myself that it will be even better properly finished.  I think you've got the same thing with wanting "the one you can see right in front of you".  That's a good sign - along with wanting to keep something you've just done for a customer.

David

Maybe there was an earlier thread but what work was involved on this car? It looks really good. Has a really nice nose-down stance. Reading this reminds me of having Graham Bates' HF to drive. That had a Peter Gerrish engine on 48's (I think - they were huge). Fitted with the curved trumpets that face to the back. Fantastic, and as you say totally docile creeping along in traffic. Although I'm not sure which cams were fitted. What is your view on running open carbs on the road? I know many people do. I have foam socks on mine. One problem here in the summer, when there are huge vehicles working in the fields, is you get great clouds of fine dust that just look like smoke across the road and I've never fancied hoovering that up.

I sawIan's car on the way down from Wales last night .... absolutely magnificent simply does not do it justice!

unfortunately i did not get a ride in it .... a wasted opportunity!!!

Another superb  bit of workmanship from Chugga, well done James.

                                  Andy

Andy you should have asked , I'm sure Ian would have took you out

James, three words, Rosso san Siro. A year down the line and Jonathan and I have absolutely no regrets whatsoever.

Orange rules! - go for it!  :)

Robin.

I love the picture of the bodyshell on rollers, out in the garden !

I'm interested in the possibility of fitting Fulvia 1.6 pistons in my Lambda, which has a bore of 83.00 mm. Does anyone have a drawing of such a piston, or even a piston they could measure. Obviously I'm interested in the gudgeon pin size and position, weight with pin and rings and shape of the crown. Also, does anyone have a spare set?
Regards, John

hi John I have a second hand set of 1st oversize which are damaged and a new set of 2nd oversize for my engine, email me what you want to know exactly and i'll happily do it for you, j

Hello James. If any of them are 83 mm diameter, I would like to know their weight, complete with rings and pins and the size and position of the pins. I like the idea of fitting pistons to my Lambda which will "fill up" all the available combustion chamber space. If you could either photograph one or draw it, that would be even better. I have never even seen one!
Regards, John 

i'll get some pictures up for you to see, j

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lancia-Colour-code-chart-Flaminia-Flavia-Fulvia-1965-Earls-Court-Motor-Show-/261431971592?pt=UK_CarParts_Vehicles_Manuals_Litterature_ET&hash=item3cde8f4f08

James, of use, sorry about the price!


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I'd already spotted it, thanks for thinking of me though  :)

Here's that grey one I mentioned before. Does anyone else think it looks really good, or is it just me??

http://www.leboncoin.fr/voitures/639211639.htm?ca=8_s

Wouldn't be my choice on an HF.

No, it's probably me. Something about the contrast of a sober colour on that type of car.

cant say i'm a fan on a coupe, however that's the sort of colour I intend to paint my appia at some point

Maybe on an S1 or a Sport.

well chaps, sorry to do this to you but I've sold the car  :'( HOWEVER !!!! I've bought another to restore so when I get time to start on it I will keep you up to speed, so I wont be coming to the AGM in it as planned , on the plus side I do get more enjoyment out of working on them than driving them so atleast i'll have some more fun  ;D

So you got away without deciding on a colour? You'd better start thinking about the colour of the next one now!

I suspect that is the reason he sold it, and will probably sell the new one before sorting out the colour on that one as well..........!!!!

Peter

to answer you both, I have chose the colour I want on my "next" car, I'm pretty gutted to have sold it but in a sense I'm lucky to be in the position where 2 of my cars sold without advertising and extremely quickly .
Reason I sold them, I'm 40 this year and I really need to stop playing around and think about my pension/ future so sold the cars to invest for my future, luckily I've managed to get another rough HF and between myself and Dad we have 4 more aprilias, now that I know them both inside out either should be quick for me to replace / restore
anyway, it will keep me posting for a while longer!!! :D

A Lancia pension pot !!!! I have never seen that promoted in the FT, but it will, in your capable hands, prove to perform (in more ways than one!!) significantly better than many of the more conventional funds.

Well done James and glad to know that you will be keeping us informed and inspired for a while yet.

                                Andy

Well, some lucky person got themselves a rock solid HF. Look forward to the next one. Here we go again, dark red with HF stripes hee hee.........

received my replacement shell today, big smiles in the Parry household tonight, I did feel physically sick when I sold the other car however this one has as much potential so happy again  ;D, will put picks up when I start on it which will be in a few months time when I get the back log of "sold" cars finished ,