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Could anybody help me please with a paint code for the cream colour which Aurelia B20GT 4th Series hollow rim steel wheels were originally painted with please?
Also, is this colour the same for 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th Series B20's with hollow rim steel wheels?

Thanks
Chris

Is Geoff the member to email?

http://b20no2959.wordpress.com/2011/11/18/colour-and-paint/

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take a look:

http://blog.lanciainfo.com/?p=12

We have mentioned this before on the Forum, see  http://www.lancia.myzen.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1708.90
The wheel colour is Ford Alpaca Beige, Ford numbers CT,  MAT, or 2B.  ICI code NT 70.  This is the correct colour for 4th series B20.

Thanks everyone. I am away at the moment and it is the last 'paintwork' job on my current B20 project. Brilliant to get this sorted from the beach so quickly.
Chris

Chris - I agree that Alpaca Beige is the one to use for the 4th series ( and the 2nd series). It's not the lighter shades used on later cars ( and referred to as avorio chantilly in the link above). The Lechler reference I have is CT Alpaca XSC 2025 - I have the formula on the swatch here if you need it. Enjoy your holiday!

Adrian -

Interesting to note that there was a color change. I have seen on a Lancia finish schedule the color "bianco argenteo" for B20s after #3697.... Is that the Avorio Chantilly you are referencing? As to the Alpaca Beige - new one - and what recommends its use?

Tough questions, to be sure!

Geoff

The Ardea web site says that Lechler can supply the exact ivory colour for Ardea wheels, see:
http://www.lancia-ardea.it/ColoriAbbinamenti.htm

The same colour number is given for the following product, available in a spray:
http://www.spraydosen-shop.de/aerosol-spray-can-lancia-ruote-1-avorio-w2203-uni-one-coat

I don't know if this has any reference to Aurelia wheels. I would say that Bianco Argenteo is unlikely to be an ivory wheel colour, meaning as it does "silvery white".

You are right - silvery white makes little sense, and the Avorio is close.

Looking at the paint numbers on the site is a bit curious. Some match up with Lechler's early 1990 sheet about paints for vintage cars, and others don't, FWIW.

GG -  re your post of 6th August. My sources were the Italian Registro, after they had discussed with Aurelia restorers, so I am comfortable that the info is as good as we can get 60 years later. The 4th series wheel centres were medium beige, whatever the body colour, which was used on the wheel rims. The reference to Avoro Chantilly was to contrast the beige with the much paler colour used on the Flaminia wheels.

Continuing this topic, unless I missed it somewhere, is the 3rd series wheel colour palette the same as the 4th, i.e beige centre and body colour rim (in my case a black car)?

Thanks

Clive

Slight aside

The Club Appia website in Italy states that one of the colour schemes for the furgoncino was also Avorio chantilly with Verde Ardea (they appear to have all been 2 tone). Lechler and Meyer codes are also listed.

However the wheels appear to be another colour again. One of the wheels is still untouched on the inside, so I will polish it and get a spectro of the colour and see how it matches up with the other colours you have mentioned above.

Clive - I'm quite certain that the 3rd series wheel colour scheme is NOT the same as the 4th series. But, I'm not so certain as to what the 3rd series should be......is the whole wheel the same colour as the body? or is the whole wheel beige? ( But not the same as 4th beige).

I THINK 3rd Series B20 (and 1st and 2nd) wheels were cream/beige all over and I am not totally convinced (yet) that all 4th series had 2 colour wheels.
Having said that, my project early 4th Series is having cream/beige centres and body colour rims because they will look great!
Chris

I confirm that on my black 3rd series B20 wheels are unicolor, and a very whitish beige.
My car was restored for a connoisseur beginning of the 90ies, and the car was done right, with expert advice from the Registro Aurelia.
It is not currently at home, so I cannot check the approximate color of the wheel with a RAL-chart.
The photo will have to suffice for now!

I can also show photos of unicolored cream 4th series B20 wheels (generally on blue celeste cars)
And unicolored 4th series wheels in the same color as the body (a "testa di moro" car)

And then there are unicolored wheels with chrome trim rings, also very nice.

So basically, there seems to be an esthetic element to answer that question, and one should decide according to the color of the body!

Sebastien....can you put up.....2/3/4/....30 more....:) .....pics of your car, so very smart!


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that would not add much to the subject, I fear!

Here an italian owned 4th series, in blue celeste (maybe they called it grigio at the time, I can't remember), with unicolor cream wheels!
(It would look strange with blue celeste rims!)
Enjoy!

Sébastien

Fair enough Sebastien...........but I'd never tire of looking at them, separate thread?!

:)


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I wonder whether the 2 colour steel wheels were a factory option on 4th Series onwards B20s?
To my mind and this is a very personal opinion, having coloured rims only looks 'right' when the body colour is dark such as lancia blue, green, black etc. One of the most attractive features of 3rd and early 4th Series B20s is their 'plain-ness' where nothing detracts from the styling and this is perfectly illustrated by Sebastien's 3rd Series. Coloured rims can make the car look a little more fussy.
Its a bit like the obsession with some (too many)  B24 owners for having wire Borrani type wheels. The original steels wheels with hubcaps whether B24 Spider or Convertible look fine.
Our beige early 4th series B20 which we have owned since 1978 is on silver Technomagnesio wheels (in ignorance I had the steel wheels powdercoated black!) but my project car (original colour was 'grigio' which can mean a whole range of colours) has been painted a darkish metallic grey as it originally came out of the factory from traces of paint on the steering column and this colour looks fine on the steel wheel rims with beige centres IMHO.

Thanks for this feedback. Sebastien, your wheels look like the Avorio Lancia cream in the picture. Or are they the beige? - or something in between?

Whichever, it looks superb. My car will be black, too.

Best

Clive

Have you the codes for that blue?   Its a lovely colour combination...

David

This could run and run......so I thought going back to the original brochures would help.
The 8 page 4th series brochure ( the one with party goers in DJ's and long frocks, all smoking) sure enough has cars in several body colours, but all with the stainless steel trims and beige wheel centres, all fine there.
But - there's a pale off-white car with much darker beige wheel centres - to provide more of a contrast?
It gets worse - I've got two more different 4th series brochures , unfortunately in B&W, but the wheel centres in both are clearly much darker again ( black?) which contrast with lighter body colours.
So - I'm happy with the wheels on my car which is grigio celeste body colour and has the two colour wheels with trims - but this is clearly NOT the only scheme used !

Yes Adrian, you are correct. I have looked at all my 3rd and 4th Series original B20 brochures and publicity shots and realise that the norm seems to be if the car is a pale colour then it has dark wheel centres with pale rims and chrome wheel trims. Strangely enough not many brochure and publicity shots are of dark cars whereas today, I have a feeling in Italy that the dark cars are more prized that the lighter ones.
I wonder whether anyone can give the definitive options available in period?
Chris

On a dark car I quite like body coloured wheels with the chrome trims, so that's what I've gone for.

Looks great. Where did you get the wheel trims and how are they held in place might I ask?
Chris

Ed - looks really good. The tricky bit is to keep the trims in place, as they do move about in use. Omicron sell the clips and although they're  horrid to fit, I think it's worth putting say about 5 or 6 on each wheel.

Supposedly the wheel trims were an option, and can surprisingly be seen even as far back as a s.2 car, but I've never seen a factory listing of  options. In fact finding real definitive factory pricing or list of options is hard as well - the only thing found so far has been letters from Lancia to prospective buyers. What and how they would provide at the time remains a mystery. Somewhere there are probably some good dealer materials, perhaps, but they haven't surfaced yet. . 

As to wheel color, some say it was standardized and others have varients in dark or light. Original seems hard to define.

I got them from Cavalitto, I think (it was a long time ago!); they are held in place by clips, but as yet they have not been on the car, so not sure how long thet will stay on  ;)

GG - I'm sure that the trims weren't an option - the period pictures seem to show trims on the 4th series as standard. The reason they are not always on the cars now is that they are easily damaged and the clips are not 100% reliable on rolled rims. And Lancia liked these trims - they were used on Flaminias and Flavias ( and early Fulvias?) but with screw fixings, which are much more secure even if they don't look so neat.

Adrian -

You are probably right - the homologation (fiche) pictures for the s.3 show them, although not for the s.1.

Geoff