Lancia Motor Club

He's long had Fulvia bits but now also Aurelia:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/ash1600/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=25

Thanks David, perfect bit of timing now that mine is ready for the paint shop !!!!

But seriously, it shows that someone is taking B20 repair/restoration seriously. Does anyone know of anyone else out there who does repair panels for the Aurelia? 

I hope I never need him because that would indicate a prang of some sort!!!

                          Andy

                                               

Am sure Bill Lewis has or would...James is also getting experience in this area currently!

P

That'd be me !!   I've a source of Aurelia panels, floors, sills, various repair sections, door skins....and more. Still need to be 'made to fit', but are good quality. I was half thinking of keeping some in stock, but I'm not sure if there is a market. If anyone is interested I can provide details by PM.

Very nice looking panels. I am aware of your Aurelias but will there be a possibility of Flaminia PF Coupe panels becoming available? Pattern reqd I expect.

Excellent news Kevin, I hope I will never need to avail myself of your services, but if I do ......

Bill Lewis made the outer sills for my B20, a great job and very quick too!!

                                              Andy

I don't have the names to hand but there is a company in Italy making Aurelia floor sections and sills and there is also a company in Holland who will sell you any section of an Aurelia B20 you want....in fact you could probably source an entirely new shell from them!
With this availability and the rising prices, will we see 'fake' B20's appearing soon? I wouldn't be surprised.
Chris

Since my recent need for some Aurelia panels, I went on a worldwide internet search for panels. I'd just brought my car to the man who previously did the body restoration.
Whilst we were unloading the car one of his employee's (from Eastern Europe) took one look at the car, and said..."A man in my hometown makes stuff for these cars"
So, on my doorstep (more or less), I think I found the place who supplies these panels to Holland in particular.

As for 'fake B20's' making an appearance, while the bodies might be reasonably easy to replicate, what about all the other stuff...engines...transmissions...might prove a bit more difficult.

Aurelia B20 Engines, carbs,  front axles, transmissions and steering boxes - rebuilt and projects -  are available. And pretty much everything else can be fabricated or bought new or repro.

I remember when B24 Spiders broke through the £100,000 mark some years ago, shortly afterwards I saw quite a good replica B24 Spider based upon a B10 floorpan (I think).
Chris

Having had quite recently to source and buy quite a few parts for the 4th Series B20 I bought from Spain (including an engine, thank you Chris!), I'd suggest that B20 values are still a little way off making a fake/replica worthwhile. Though a Zagato bodied one would certainly be viable...

B10 platform has the wrong rear suspension for a B24, a B12 would have been a better start point.

My B12 will never.....ever be involved in any faking..........;)


P

Well corrected William - I was getting confused with the Basso lowline special B20 Corsa replicas made some years ago which used B10 floorpans

I didn't get an opportunity to look carefully at the B24 Spider replica but there was something wrong with the bulkhead.
Chris

theres a few repair panels being made in north wales  ;)

Who'd subscribe to a "magazine part work" with a bit of Aurelia with every issue?   

"In issue ten with the nearside wheel arch the front is complete...next month comes the front half of the wiring loom and the fresh air flaps".

David

Wow James, that is damn good going !!!! I bet that whilst it is a daunting challenge you are really enjoying it !!!

Hope to see you soon,

                             Andy

thanks Andy, its not until you make the panels you fully appreciate how complex a shape the B20 is , really enjoying it and cant wait to get back to it , I tend to rotate between projects at the moment so I'm not on it full time , probably one of the most brain flexing projects that I've taken on so far  :)

p.s. thanks for the templates , as you can see THEY WORKED!!!!  ;)

Its quite a photo - an Aurelia from flat sheet - big bottle of gas - an air hammer - a Lambda leaning against the wall in the background...

...sunshine in Wrexham...

....it more resembles North Italy now James, lovely to witness the rebirth of another fabulous B20 and associated body parts.


P

what i'm impressed with is that most people when they see it or a photo of it scream OMG or don't believe it can be repaired , its nice for once that there is "faith" on the forum  ;D , needless to say you've all guessed what / who its for , this and the Lambda have / are being my biggest challenges but I am learning so much from them both and really I suppose i'm gratefull for the experience , I will put some more pics up of it when I get time to do some more to it.
Yes David we did have sunshine in Wrexham for a day , sticks in my mind that we were all like vampires cowering wondering what it was  :D

Yes indeedy, those re-shaped flat bits of metal are for my car. I will (with the help of James) start a proper thread on the repairs, but not till I've gotten a bit further into the project. This will be a kind of "Cambria/Hibernian" type of venture....some work done over 'there' and some here.
I acquired a jig in the past few days, the car is more or less mounted on it, but not yet to the stage where work will begin.
Regarding 'Aureliatis' that syndrome we seem to be afflicted with...I spent close on 18 years searching and saving for a suitable car, then I decided to use it in hillclimbs, then I took it off the road, and over a year replaced about 70% of the bodywork, went racing, crashed....and now I'm doing it all over again. However this is not so much a 'restoration', as a 'crash repair'. If I'd crashed the car in its original rusty condition, I doubt there would be much left.
So, on a scale of 1 to 10...how bad have I the 'condition' ??

Jig...and view from the floor !

Truly awesome Kevin/James.........sod the thread....or even a few articles in VL.


Hows about a full tome.........."A Day In The Life Of My B20"

P

a few more pictures of Kevins front end, haven't been able to get near it recently but had a few days spare this week

Fascinating ! Looking forward to seeing the progress ...... in detail I hope

Excellent James, great progress especially as you have so much else in hand at the moment.

                                                        Andy

Back in July Chris mentioned that the Basso B20 replicas were based on B10 platforms. I visited Basso when he was in the process of building two of these replicas, and I noted the chasis numbers. They were B20 1092 and B20 1442.

Hi Niels,
When we were in Turin for trhe 100 year celebration, I seem to remember looking closely at a Basso  replica and deciding it was based upon a B10. I also thought some opf the metalwork was some what crude......but it may well have bben just as crude when the originals wre made of course.
And i would love to own one of the replicas
Chris

What did he use for motors?

There were no engines in the two cars at the time, August 1982.

There was a B20 Corsa replica at the Sliding Pillar in 2013. It was baby blue - the first shot is of the car. I took shots separately of a B20 engine and I think it was the same car (but not 100% sure). But its a B20 chassis and engine…. Maybe some Corsas were built on B20s?

James - that top section up to the headlamp, manage to form that just with the shrinker?

I used the air planisher 1st to curve it along its length , then wheel the dents out on the English wheel , its a long process of stretching the metal , the planisher is NOT for shrinking , it will only stretch the metal , where its stretched either too much or requires shrinking I use the conventional shrinker / stretcher that you saw when you visited . usually I start off with a ball pane hammer and a sand bag to "rough it out" then air planish , then wheel , very satisfying and when wheeled with a low amount of pressure produces a very even and smooth finish

The result looks well worth the effort. 

Enjoying it? 

Photos of the air planisher and the wheel?   

Got "the full setup" now or still some bits on the Christmas list?

Oh yes James, please share us some pictures of the air planischer and the wheel.

I've yet to find a way to finish my appia panels, but I'm a bit reluctant to invest in these cheap chinese air planishers and wheels currently flooding the market, but good old tooling is hard to find...
So all experience is most welcome!

Thinking of making a planishing tool in my pullmax, as the eckolds movement is too slow for this.

as soon as get a spare moment I will , would pictures of the process be of interest?? my planisher is only a cheap one but works very well , I have put a picture of my wheel up before , this is my 12 yr old having a go

There is nothing like starting them young and just letting them have a go!!!!

I am looking forward to more photographs ....

                                  Andy

How come he's not wearing a hard hat, high viz jacket, chainmail gloves and with 2 'helpers' (also suitably attired), one holding a clipboard and the other leaning on a shovel.....

GG and Niels,

I think GG's photos of  are of two different cars.  The blue "corsa" is B20-1082 sold at Bonham's in 2013 (http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/20929/lot/329/?list_search_query=1&lang=en_gb&back_to_year=2003&sale_no=20929&limit=9999&query=lancia&create_facets=False&page_anchor=m1%3D1%26q1_1%3Dlancia%26b1%3Dlist)
B20-1082 is repeated in the auction literature a number of times, in 2007 and 2013.
The registration is/was ZA 438 WC - Italian I think.
I think Niels may have got the number 1 digit out (B20-1092) - an easy mistake between an 8 and a 9.

At Basso's in 1980 I saw B20S-1442 in a poor state.  Later it came to the UK.  But this must be  a different car from the other Basso "Corsa".

The chassis number in the two engine photos is B20-2107.  This is a car that was 134 AXY registered in the UK from 1960.  It was in a bad state by 1966 and a restoration was still underway in 1978.  I believe the car got worse and in 1990 Ron Francis had owned it for several years.  I lost track of it after that.

Paul Mayo

pictures in order :
planisher
shrinker stretcher
swager

another panel being made, not finished yet just 1st fitting

That's not an Aurelia ...... unless you have found something very interesting - V6 Aprilia ??

there's no "panel" section on the forum to post under  :'(

Chugga,
The LMC's answer to project Binky!

Brian
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