Lancia Motor Club

Can anyone help and throw any light on the history of a 1.3hf that is being restored in Australia, a friend met him at Castlemaine 2015, and he is looking for any history of his Fulvia. SLW 395F.

Brian
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Any thought that the P Moss who is shown to have owned this car from April to December 1969 is Pat Moss? See this from wiki:

"In 1968, Moss joined Lancia to drive the new Fulvia. She did not like the car's strong understeer, but nevertheless drove it to 14th place at the Monte Carlo Rally and 2nd place at the Rallye Sanremo, losing to Pauli Toivonen in a Porsche 911. Her other notable results of the season included winning the Sestriere Rally and finishing 8th at the Acropolis and 7th at the Tour de Corse. At the 1969 Monte Carlo Rally, Moss drove her Fulvia to 6th place."

That would be nice wouldn't it - but unless the cat is LHD then I suspect it's not the car she drove on the Monte Carlo rally in 1969....

Guy

Pat Moss drove in the Monte Carlo Rally twice for Lancia 1968 (14th and Coupe des dames) and 1969 (6th and Coupe des dames). 1968 HF was chassis number 1282 reg TO970371, and 1969 HF was chassis number 1279 reg TO970375. She competed in the RAC in 1968 (non finish) in chassis number 1278 reg TO970373. All LHD! (Courtesy E Marquart).

A genuine ex-Pat Moss 1.3HF was known to be in the UK in the 1980s. I used to see it at Roger Perry's workshop (the original Classico) in Suffolk. The log book for the car in question shows that Lancia England owned it after P Moss, which sounds odd, unless it was a 'works car' simply registered in her name to suggest it was a private entrant.

Colin

Not sure if I am reading the log book correctly, but the reg date for the transfer to said P Moss is April 69, so assuming the Monte was earlier that year, not too likely to be that P Moss and as mentioned this looks like a UK spec/sold car so likely RHD.

Peter

Thanks everyone for the comments so far, I see the first entry is stamped as Belfast?

Brian
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P. Moss is in Northern Ireland too (Down), before the car is bought back by Lancia Uk?

Whats the chassis number of the Oz car?

Funny enough I got it this morning, seems I received two copies of the same page rather than the one with the vehicle details.
Chassis Number is 818.341.1236 -Engine Number 1605.

Brian
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Ahh… I hadn’t noticed the Co Down stamp print – I had only noticed what looked like a Thame (Thames Valley) address. I guess that rules out any Pat Moss connection. Sorry about that!

RHD but chassis is one before a run of three works cars all prepared for different types of "work" with 1239 as a contender to the Euro Touring car championship...

Thank you colin/Tim
A bit more meat on the bones to consider.

Brian
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Seems to be a positive Pat Moss connection, I have an advert from 1974  when it was up for sale with Pat Moss connections, and advertised as a Jolly Club car.
Can anyone make out the address shown against the 'Down C.C.' entry.
I've spent a very frustrating hour trying to load jpeg photos from Australia of this car in it's earlier days, as well as the advert referred to above, all to no avail as it says can't upload this type of photo, even though jpeg seems to be one of the formats that is acceptable? anyone got any ideas ???
Brian
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Hi Brian
The forum allows the extension jpg - so if it's jpeg then this would get blocked. Can you try a renamed file using jpg?
Otherwise I can't think of a reason ...

Thanks Steve,
Looks like that could be the problem, I'll give it a try.

Brian
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Here are photos relevant to the Australian HF from younger days when it was in the Uk.
The 1974 advert with reference to Pat Moss and it being a Jolly Club car, enough to make you weep when you see what they were asking for it : :'(
The Berlina is Garry setting off for Castelmaine, and a letter he's put out to the other Australian Berlina owners regarding setting up a Register, as there's quite few out there.

Brian
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Having started off the idea that P Moss might have been Pat Moss, I think this is increasingly unlikely to be the case. Partly because, the log book address in County Down, Northern Ireland doesn’t seem to fit with Pat Moss. Also, I have recalled the name of the owner of the ex-Pat Moss, ex- Jolly Club car that often was at Roger Perry’s workshop – he was a baker from Clacton who had a collection of about five Fulvias in the early 1990s. The ex-Pat Moss car, complete with Halda instruments and full rally trim was CJW 746H. I am sure that car is still in existence somewhere, but I think unlikely to be the one we are now trying to identify.

Colin

And would a Jolly Club car be RHD?? Just curious...

In the same adverts an ex-works Alpine Renault 110 was already £2250. Big difference. It does make you weep until I think that I was a student surviving OK with a grant of £140 a year (I was also given 5p a day sustenance). To paraphrase Groucho Marx, 'You can live like a king on 5p a day. You can't eat, but you can live like a king'.

Colin,
If that's the case I wonder how Brian Eldridge got away with advertising it as such?
At the time she was Mrs Moss/ Carlsson so I wonder if that has any bearing.
I've just been checking in Lancia Fulvia HF by Enzio Altorio and chassis number 1236 wasn't an an official car that took part in the various Rallyes, so I may have been a Jolly Club car as advertised, but how do we prove it one way or the other that it's ex Pat Moss, or not as the case maybe?
The Chassis Number Range for the 818.340/1 was from 1100-1295 & from 1404-2089, that being the case I'm not quite sure how they get to the total of 882 Built. ???
Brian
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I've just removed the log book as I hadn't realised it wasn't for general use, however here is the message that went with it.
The Images besides the log book referred to were the ones I posted yesterday.
Brian
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Further information from Australia.
Does it ring any bells? as I'd like to help if I can.

Brian
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"I received these images from the young man with the HF project.
Quite impressive. See Attached.

I got in touch with a guy in nsw in the club who had record of graham towers owning the car in 1983. So it has been here at least since then.
I bought a book which has results of the Motoring News Rally championship. It mentions Robin Pettigrew in the results. So i have accounted for three of the owners, Reggie Mcspadden, Brian Eldridge and Robin Pettigrew.
I just put a post on a historic rally page, so we will see what happens.”

I suggested he contact Graham Towers, Grahame Ward and Jeremy Browne."

Tim,
The official cars would seem to have all been LHD, but it also looks like RHD was available as  as 818.341 is shown in 'La Lancia' but no split of RHD & LHD. and the information repeated in another reference source.

Brian
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1236 was rhd just before a run of lhd works cars....