Lancia Motor Club

 A couple of weeks ago I met a friend at Classic & Cabriolets near Southend on the Coldest frosty day we've had for ages, I was in "Fay" and it was B---dy cold as despite taking the complete heater assembly out twice, re-cored the heated radiator twice ( Split the end tank  after coming back from Turin in 2006) making sure everything was properly sealed with no air leaks, new diaphragm in water valve, the amount of heat coming into the cabin is akin to a small rodent passing wind!
Finally got to Southend after defrosting myself with a bacon sarnie and a cup of tea, and getting lost going around Chelmsford.
To find a lovely LHD 2c in Lancia Blue with a grey cloth interior.
Despite having a number of minor faults she looked very good value at £5995.95 compared to two series 2 LHD Fulvia Coupes at £12.995.95 each, which seems to be the asking price for coupes RHD or LHD at the moment.
After a very good look round it was nice to observe that it was all very sound underneath, and while it seemed to have had a respray on the two offside doors it looked very clean and smart.
Interior was less so and a bit on the grubby side with a tear in the headlining, the good news was that the seats had been recovered, the interior apart from the tear would probably take a good weekends worth of elbow grease.
I was amazed to find all the under mats original insulation intact as it was in the boot.
We took her for a drive and it felt co-rse ( Big Brother doesn't like the full word! cobottom as an alternative ???) but I think new leads, plugs points and the carburettors tuned by someone who knows what they are doing would work wonders, the column gearchange was also a bit sloppy that would probably be rectified by adjustment, all the joints on the 2c gear change can be individually adjusted, or in worse case new bushes.
apart from being half frightened to death twice by a rev counter that suddenly screeched at us ( cable probably needs lubrication) she drove well.
Fay was also emitting odd clunks groans and wheezes as well, which I think was down to how cold it was.
I felt sorry for this poor little 2 owner 2c from Verona, freezing it's backside off on a cold frosty january morning, but it will have to get used to it, as I understand it's headed off to the far Northern Wastelands (Scotland) to a new owner, I hope he/she is an LMC Member, and I'd be happy to help out with advice if needed anytime
Horrible cold journey home, got lost around Chelmsford again ::) Couldn't see where the heck I was going as the sun was so low, but all said Fay and I enjoyed our day out to see her cousin from warmer climes.

Brian
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More.

A pair of beauties

I was going to say "not for the Faynt hearted" but having Fay as an example will probably hearten the new owners. The Lancia blue really suits it.

 wish I had known you were coming down Brian, I live about 3 miles from there!!!

An interesting find, I keep meaning to get over there!!!

                                Andy

That looks nice Brian.
Are you sure the screeching wasn't the rotating drum speedometer? On Jackys  original 2C back in the mid/late  seventies we had exactly the same problem with a random screeching from time to time. This wad at a time when spares were really difficult so I disconnected the Speedo cable in the end and problem solved. Ironically today 40 years later, new and used S1 speedometers always seem to be available on Subito or ebay.it
 Chris

Hi Chris,
To be honest Chris if I'd had the money I'd have bought it, it was that nice and original.

Not in this case as the rev counter went wild and kept screeching until you stopped the car, and was ok until the next time!
I have 2 complete clusters + I part complete in my loft, only problem is that the white is turning brown on the dials,
"Fays" speedo used to clatter away at one time, but seems to have sorted itself out these days.
I've seen them on Subito, but OH the prices!
Did you notice the crack in the end of the ribbed panel by the speedo, in this case I think it is repairable, did you have any luck obtaining another?

Brian
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Yes Frank it really was nice, but look at the tyres, the LHD still has 165x 80 x14 tyres which are very chunky, while "Fay" is also fitted with 165x 14's tyres, but they're just under 80's as I couldn't get them, but they look a lot smaller standing next to the LHD 2c,


Brian
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Sorry about that Andy I didn't realise you were that close otherwise I'd have given you a call,
Paul Duce is an interesting fella and he has a LOT of Lancias including a prisma, a Gamma, a couple of Fulvias, a Flavia Coupe, a 2000 Berlina in need of a lot of work,he has a very sweet Fiat 1100 that took my eye as it was such an honest little motor, there's also a Maserati SM and various other bits of machinery between him and a friend who also works out of there.
well worth a look.
He's off to Italy again soon to see what else he can find, and as the RHD cars are very much a finite commodity he has more choice getting them from Italy.
something I forgot to mention was that the LHD 2c only had about 50,000 miles on the clock.

Brian
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I saw the crack Brian and it in the same place ........but mirror image as our GTE is rhd. The crack closes up in warm weather and opens up in cold weather so putting g my Sherlock hat on, I could tell it was a very cold day when you took the photo! I suspect it's to do with plastic ageing and shrinking. And no, I haven't found a good rhd dash trim.
Chris

Next time you are down Brian give me a ring and we can meet up. I only heard about the place a month or so ago when my niece's partner came down from the Midlands to collect a car (Consul Capri!) and the vendor mentioned them in conversation.

As you say, let's hope  the new owner is (or becomes) a club member!!

                               Andy

Those two cars look so good together. I don't think there's a better colour. 

My Dad passed away last year, age 91.  Whenever you talked to him about cars he would say that the Fulvia Sedan that he bought second hand in 1979 was one of his three favourite cars of the many that he owned over the years. It was in the lighter more petrol-blue colour - Bleu Mendoza I think.  It was his only Lancia and he described it as his "little Rolls Royce".  It kick-started my interest in Italian cars generally, and Lancia in particular.

Just love that dash I want one! check out the tacho redlined at 6000rpm...
Clarkey

The Berlinas have been sidelined by the beauty of the coupe for many years, but at last seem to be being recognised for what a lovely car they are, the asthetics of the back end is so sublime with it's curves and wonderful tail lights, and so delicate.
Although the two Berlinas look a similar in colour in fact they are quite different, but they complement each other, with "fay" being Doncaster Grey, while the LHD is Lancia blue.
But to the best of my knowledge "Fay" is the only RHD 2c left in the UK, so if you want one, and I would highly recommend you try one, then it will have to be a LHD import.

Brian
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Chris,
Do you think it's possible to repair as this looks like a clean break?

Brian,
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Andy,
hopefully if Paul gets another 2c he'll let me know, if so I may come down and have a look, particularily if anyone is interested.
Certainly worth a visit to see what he has for sale, but not the easiest place to find!
If I do come down I''ll give you a ring, although if it's nice in the summer I'll bring "Fay" for a run and bring my dogs with me.

Brian
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I know what you mean Brian about the styling of the saloon. I was at Brooklands for the Italian car day a few years back and there were about a dozen coupes and one saloon and it attracted as much attention from non-Lancia spectators as all of the coupes put together!

It would be interesting to know why the dash boards break like that. The plastic probably gets brittle with age but I would assume the two parts are anchored separately so they pull apart. It would be worth establishing, so the problem can be eradicated before going to the trouble of repair. Then it should be straight forward to glue it back together and if done with care the crack might cease to be obvious. Otherwise it would have to be filled and re-painted which makes the job so much more complicated with colour matching etc.

Looking at the website of this Fulvia 2C seller, it strikes me that he might be useful to the forum members who want to buy a car from Italy but who don't want the fun, risk or challenge of doing it themselves as long as this seller isn't greedy or untrustworthy. He seems to have been tasked by other UK based old Italian car enthusiasts to source, transport and import specific models on occasions and also oversee the UK MOT and registration. There are testimonials on the site to this effect.
He seems to operate in NE Italy which is one of the more prosperous areas and which is reasonably densely populated. It happens to be the area in which we live and from time to time I see what nice S1 Fulvia sedans are available and at what price.
For him to offer this 2C at £5,995 ( but what has he actually sold it at?) Including all the attendant costs of Italian registration cancellation, transport to UK, UK registration and MOT and any mechanical problems MOT wise, it does not seem to me that he is greedy.
Good low mileage S1 Fulvia sedans are becoming more sought after in Italy and I think there is a reluctance on the part of the Italians to buy old cars from the S of Italy unless absolutely necessary. Whether this is caused by a perception of Sun damage, poor roads or lack of trust I do not know. All I know is that it exists.
No connection to seller of course.
Chris.

That would be great Brian, let's try to make it happen!!!

                                Andy

Hi Frank,
Garry Regan who has a GT iin Australia just sent me his views on the subject, once you've got the cover off it's no problem to match a silver, I did it in 2000 as "Fay's" was very grubby but not broken, as Garry says I think the big problem is probably over tightening at some time, this one also didn't seem to be seated correctly.

Brian
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"I had a much smaller crack in my dash.
I removed the dash, glued the crack and then glued a thin plate on the back to act as reinforcing.
I then sprayed the dash using a pressure can (because we enthusiastically cleaned the dash when we first got the car and removed some silver paint)

Then install the dash and be very gentle when doing up the support nut. Finger tight. I suspect that people over tighten this nut and thus put a lot of pressure on that corner of the dash panel."

On my ‘front’ part of the dashboard which is cracked, the crack widens in the very cold weather and on closer inspection, the plastic moulding is under compression when the car is very cold bending upwards slightly like a banana in the centre. This is obviously what has caused the fracture as I think it is only really held in place by 2 studs the same as the Essex car.
We were out in the GTE yesterday over on the Adriatic coast near Chioggia on a very sunny day (35 deg C in the sun and 15 deg C in the shade) with the very efficient heater on in the beginning and the crack closed up completely during the journey.
I will take it out during the Spring and try to reinforce it in the area from behind (and also open out the mounting holes in the body slightly) unless a good replacement rhd one comes along.
Chris

Chris,
I've just taken "Fay" for a run as it's a nice day and my panel lies completely flat.
I've also just had a look at some photos I took when I removed it the last time (2009) and there should be no need to open up the centre holes as these are quite large, note how deeply they are recessed, if I remember correctly there are two cone shaped bosses on the back of the centre of the panel that fit into the recesses, I can only think that the panel hasn't fitted back correctly, do you have a speaker fitted? if I remember the correct speaker needs large holes to fit over the bosses and lie flat against the perforated speaker section, if not the correct speaker this could be a problem, I've been looking for years for an elliptical speaker with holes big enough with no success.

Brian
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Well the story continues.
It started off for sale near Southend in January.
After being told that it had sold around February to someone in Scotland for near the Asking price of £6500; much to my amazement it turned up at a Classic Dealers in Northampton about 4 months ago for a staggering asking price of £999,95; so yet again it was with some surprise I spotted it again with a Classic & American Dealer in Chelmsford, but now at a more realistical £7995.99.
I now wonder where, and for how much it will turn up next ???

I still think it's over priced, but generally it's a very original 2c in nice condition, and I hope someone takes it on before much longer, although I suppose being a LHD isn't helping.

Brian
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Hi everyone!

I am the newest owner of this car. Glad to join the club!

Well done Neil, we look forward to reading all about it!

P

Neil,

there is no nicer post-war car than a Fulvia berlina in my opinion, not wholly uninformed having owned three at various times. Happy driving in yours.

Cesare

Thanks for the warm welcome everyone!

Looking forward to getting stuck into ownership!

Brian, I will be tapping you up for advice if the offer still stands?

Viva Lancia!

Well done Neil. S1 Fulvia Berlinas are lovely cars and still drive well in today's road conditions. Looking forward to hearing in detail ref your car.
Chris

She is a lovely car to drive indeed. She has an aura that makes me smile just sitting in her.

Nothin much has changed since Brian's write up at the start of the thread. She is still in need of a good tidy up to the roof lining, I have only encountered the screeching rev counter once, so far (very cold morning might have something to do with it) and it was like a banshee! I have booked her in to Omicron for a few minor niggles, including the sloppy gear change as previously mentioned.

I'm going to have to look around and find local members to me now, so anyone in Norfolk, don't be shy!

Strangely enough I went to have a look at the Fulvia Berlina in Writtle, Chelmsford on Sunday only to be told it had been sold the previous weekend! Looked very nice and had had it on the radar for a while. A good lesson that if you snooze you lose!!
Hope you enjoy the Fulvia and hope to see it sometime.

Hi, thanks!

Yeah I hadn't initially gone to see the Lancia, although had seen it on their list. I had gone to see the Trumpet Herald they have. But upon inspection of the Herald, decided I couldn't since it would've probably cost the difference to get the Herald somewhere near the condition of the Fulvia (and still short of).

There are a couple of nice S1 Fulvia Berlinas' on car and classic at the mo, albeit lefties in Italy. One a lovely looking 2C in green, and a 1968 GT......

Hi Neil,
Pleased to hear you are the new proud owner of your 2c, that now makes two of us in the UK, one RHD one LHD, and they look like peas in a pod when when together, although they have different interior and exterior colours, and they are so lovely to drive ;D
Yes, I'll be pleased to help if ever I can, just send me a pm or an email.
It was a very cold day when the tacho screeched, and boy did it make me jump as well!
If you want to meet up when the weather turns a bit warmer, I'm only a couple of hours from Omicron.

Brian
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Thanks Brian, will bear that in mind.

Would absolutely be up for a meeting during warmer weather. I will be going to Snetterton at least a couple of times this year to catch some classic and historic race series. No doubt a few others too!

With regards to its original, but unservicable radio.

Does anyone have any experience of recomissioning, or getting an original radio recomissioned/repaired? Is it cost effective? Is it doable? Or am I better off swapping it out for a retro modern unit?

Call me old fashioned but is there anything better than driving along listening to for example a good Fulvia engine without the distraction of a radio?
Chris

Unfortunately, my wife isnt a diehard petrolhead and doesn't appreciate engine tone like what we do. Also, it would be nice to have a servicable unit in there.

Hi Neil
Give this company a call:  Vintage Car Radio. Tel. 0118 9864346 or 07855 547426.  They repair all vintage radios and will convert to FM and install an i/pod lead if you wish to play your MP3 tunes through the radio. He can tell you what type of radio your car ought to have for the year. He did a great job on my customer`s 1953 Mercedes Becker unit, and installed an i/pod lead.

John.

Thanks John,

I have sent them an email, so let's see what they can do!

Really want to have a summer drive whilst listening to Matt Monro - Days Like These.

I know, sad, but we all have to have dreams!

It shouldn't be too hard to find a working period radio. I have seen the Vintage Radio Co at the NEC. They will rework your radio or sell you one ready converted off the shelf however their prices caused me to pause.

Up to a point old radios aren't that complicated so I would encourage you to investigate the obvious like is it receiving power?, is an internal fuse blown?, does squirting it through with electrical cleaner help?

No ;D
Brian
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Not quite what I was looking for but will do for now...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGiZR23VyhQ

Cant beat open trumpets!!!

I like this one too

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J1xiwFeUshU

Open question to anyone who can help with input. The little LHD 2c is in a garage getting a few things worked through. I asked the chap if he could tighten up the loose/sloppy gears. He seems to think simply adjusting them won't do, he said about getting new bushes.

Can anyone give any technical pointers of anything to looking for, or recommend? I'm sure he has spoken to Omicron for techy know how, but I am sure there is just as much knowledge here too!

Neil,
It sounds like the plastic bushes have had it, these just fall apart, you have two options, I can loan you one of my spares so you can get some made in nylon or bronze, whatever you decide.
The other is to contact Cavlitto, I bought mine when we were in Turin about 12 years ago he had a great big plastic bag full of them, so I hardly think he'll have sold them all by now.
I bought 3 sets, one set went to a friend in Holland for his 2c and a set in Fay, I still have a set left but obviously I wish to hang on to these.
They make one heck of a difference ;D
If you want to borrow one let me know and we can meet up.
Brian
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Hi everyone,

Just a short message!

I have, as can be seen in the first page of this thread, the squared 'wing' mirror on my 2c. Does anyone know a source for another to match on the offside?

Neil,
good evening. Your car is being offered for sale on Car and Classic. Is this a mistake?
Cesare

Hi Cesare,
This site has never removed the 2c from its website since it appeared on there last year, despite at one point it was for sale elsewhere, as far as I could ascertain they never actually 8physical had the 2c, besides which it was being offered for sale at different asking prices, I though perhaps the previous owner had put it out to various people on commission sale.
Brian
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Hello Brian,
I only wondered as it appears to be a new listing, dated 5th May.
Cesare

If its the carandclassic advert from st Andrews autos, I have seen it too. It's never been taken down since I bought it from them. I assume they have forgotten to remove it, and its on some sort of auto renewal on there?

Neil,
I am very glad to hear it! I do wish people who use websites for their own purposes would update their entries when they are done. I wish you a happy summer's driving. Will you be at any club events this year?
Ciao
Cesare

Cesare,

I am really not sure about club events for this year. The car (provisionally named Emilia) is still being worked on, and will likely be a few weeks yet. So we will have to see what the summer brings I guess!

Seeing Emelia will be worth the wait Cesare, she looked lovely a year ago when I first saw her, and I'm sure she will be even better when Neil brings her out to play.

Brian
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Brian, I hope your faith isn't misplaced! The only thing so far that's different is the inertia seatbelts I have added to the rear, and replaced the front static's with. Oh and new number plates.

I'm sure I will get her out and about in the future. Just a few 'niggle's' to sort out first!

Those who followed the 'Aurelia' and 'Augusta' girls name thread on this forum will smile (hopefully)  as I did when I saw that this 2C  is named Emilia, the same as our very new granddaughter born 3 weeks ago. This somehow seems appropriate as Jacky and I have both been continuous Fulvia owners since the early 70's to this day and we are great S1 Sedan fans with our current GTE.
Chris

Congrats Chris for the new addition to the family.

Looks like it will be a few weeks till I get her back, few things to sort, and the chap I go to is a one man army.

Quick question for anyone.

Brian has kindly lent me a bush to be fabricated and put into the gears to tighten up a rather sloppy gear change in Emilia. Gave it to my local classic spanner monkey to get done and fitted, what seems like an age ago. To cut a long story short he hasnt done anything with it claiming he cant find anyone to do it. On to my three points.....
1. Is it straight forward to do?
2. Does anyone know a reputable place that would get it done?
3. Sorry Brian that its taking so long.

Neil,
No Problem,
If you can't get anyone to make them and you need them you can have it's companion.
Brian
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Brian, that's a really kind offer. I want to try and get something sorted, but if it comes to it, I may well take you up on that offer. Are these bushes the kind of thing I could source from Omicron? Is it worth getting back in contact with them?

If anyone was planning it, I will be watch the AMOC meet at Snetterton on the 8th of July, all being well, in Emilia with family in tow!

Neil, have you tried Robush, link to catalogue below.

http://www.robush.co.uk/pdf/1519%20Robush.pdf

P

P,

Didnt see anything similar from that link, unless I should contact them directly. I am going to talk to the garage which looks after my modern cars to see if they can help.

Once I get her back (hopefully tomorrow) I will upload some new pics of her with the new mirrors.......... Hopefully!

Neil you can try but I doubt it, I think the best bet is to see if Cavalitto still has the huge bcgful that mine came from, can't see they would have sold them all, even if it was 15 years ago when I got mine.
Sorry I can't make Snetterton but nice to know Emelia will be up and about

Brian
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I will email Cavalitto and see what they say.

On a brighter note, I have Emilia back! whoop whoop! Now running alot sweeter after having new plugs and carb servicing kits. New mirrors installed too. Photo to follow after I get back from work. Even the gear changes don't seem as bad. Maybe its the better weather?

Just have my new plates to fit, and a quick wash down and clean up and she is ready for some mileage!

Oh, I now have a Vitaloni overtaking mirror available if anyone wants it......... No idea what they are worth!

Hi Neil,
Pleased Emilia is up and running, pretty much sounds like you've had done what I thought was necessary when I drove her
Good luck with Cavalitto, would you mind getting 4 for me if he has them in stock please.
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No problem Brian, I will see what they can do.

Here she be!

Lovely ;D

Brian
xxxxx

Notice the new mirrors Brian?  I have also now fitted the new number plates (aluminium instead of plastic with an Italian sized front).

I have a price for the bushes from Cavalitto, and will be ordering this weekend.

I also reread an old work ticket from when she was up north of the border with the previous owner. It has an advisory of the upper ball joints being split. I can't find anything to say these have been done.......

Here is the most up to date photo of Emilia. New mirrors, number plates and added car seat in the back for the little one to enjoy some classic motoring of a more sophisticated kind......

See for sale section.

Continuing this thread.
Photo of Fulvia outside pub in Wanstead yesterday evening.
Car booked in tomorrow to reverse flush the radiator and renew coolant to hopefully cure the hot running.

What photo? What pub? I wanted to see if it was one of my old drinking haunts.

Pub is The Duke in Wansted - Nightingale Road.
Photo now attached - original apparently too large a file!

Welcome to ownership of a S1 Fulvia Sedan Justin. I am sure you will enjoy it once you have the little niggles out of the way.
I meant to reply to an earlier post from the previous owner regarding external mirrors and certainly not in a critical way - just a comment.
The door mounted mirrors he fitted on your new purchase are the same as I fit to B20s as they are a nice clean design and look 'continental'. However I wonder how effective they are on S1 Fulvia Sedan doors as to be effective they seem to me to need to be behind the quarterlights.
I presume this is why most S1 Sedans seem have wing mirrors as you can see from Brians 2C and our GTE.
Chris

Looks very nice Justin!
Look forward to seeing it soon.
Paul

Very smart Justin, wishing you many safe and happy miles!


P

Beautiful car from the days when common sense ruled design. The rear passengers are much better off in your Fulvia than stuffed in the back of some dark claustrophobic space with a sloping roof pressing on their heads.

Had the radiator and cooling system flushed out this morning and coolant replaced.
The car was idling for 10 minutes or so and temperature steady at 70 deg C. Set off from the garage and temperature stayed at 70 deg C and I was congratulating myself on a job well done. Got onto the M11 and the temperature started rising again so ended up stopping for 15 minutes to let the car cool down and made it home. The radiator has a very small leak at the top. I thought too small to cause the overheating but maybe that is the cause. BTW - we found bit of the (removed) thermostat in the radiator!! Obviously the leak needs repairing but I was hoping to be able to take the Fulvia to the Essex meet tonight.

Justin, glad youve had her out and about already. I'm sure any niggles are just that and not too serious.

In answer to your question Chris, when I went to the chap who fitted them, they went with instruction to fit them as far forward on the door as possible, unfortunately, as with experience, I shouldve walked him through the job as he either forgot, or thought they were better there. Either way, he didnt let me know of the change and just drilled and fitted them there.

For anyone whos interested, they are from Holden classic and vintage, and they are the ital style ones.

I was going to ask if the fan had been fixed but to be honest driving on the M11 it shouldn't be needed (barring jams). I can't remember offhand whether it was this car or another that had a faulty fan switch? Could be the leak - did it take much to top it up?

Hi Stanley, the fan is engine driven; it's dynamo too!
I am going to check the temperature transmitter to ensure it is accurate. Although the temperature gauge indicates maximum temperature the car doesn't feel as though it is very hot. I am going to also sort out the small leak on the top of the radiator to eradicate any possible contributory factors.
Aside from this small niggle I am very pleased and impressed by the car. It really is very different to the coupes in feel and delivery. I now understand why many, more knowledgeable Lanciisti than myself,  highly rate the Berlinas

Oh yes, forgot its age, so you have a beautiful cast aluminium fan. They are very different to the coupe. I had a lift in Brian Hilton's and its a whole different thing. Lovely soft click when you shut the doors etc. Ideally you need a coupe for being a hooligan on a weekend blast and a berline for when you want to arrive unruffled.

I have the 2000HF for the hooligan duties - when I get it back from the bodyshop!!

These are brilliant for all sorts of things - frying pan hot enough, hot chocolate cool enough etc etc.

They also let you seek out hot and cold spots on a radiator, make sure the thermometer is accurate, see if all the exhaust pipes are the same temperature etc etc.

They are also good for entertaining dumb dogs (the laser pointer bit) and all sorts of pop-science stuff with kids like "what temperature the sky" and "white wall vs brick wall".

http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/infrared-thermometer-with-laser-targeting-n92fx?cmpid=ppc%3Adiy%3Apla%3Agoogle&gclid=CjwKCAjwzMbLBRBzEiwAfFz4gaapnmrgt4_rug7Z37oNRTI_yGydYPOdpt5n0Nfcy5rKfSwRVp8iJxoCITQQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Thermometer quickly identified cold spots - or should i say cold zones so it looks like the radiator is the culprit.
I'll take off the radiator and send it off for a new core and reconditioning. Watch this space!

Interesting Dutch site about a Fulvia Berlina
http://bvb.punt.nl/category/view/lancia-fulvia-berlina-1971

Belated update!
Had the radiator recored and leak fixed by Colchester Radiators and completed the FFFEAR 2017. Car now runs perfectly and temperature rarely exceeds 70 Deg C even in heavy traffic or after prolonged use on motorway.

Excellent news!! It's always good to know of someone getting a good result!!!

                        Andy

Hi Andy - the result is most spectacular; the car will not exceed 70 deg C whatever the conditions. Always good to get a fix and not discover it was actually something else!

Hope you are touching something wooden!!!

Of course, Tim!!