Fulvia door lock & window winder

[blueboxer]

Hi,

I decided to change my pitted door handles for new on my Fulvia Montecarlo. Straightforward job I thought!

Disassembled easy enough although I wasn't certain how to remove the window winder but got enough room behind the door card to undo the lock and take the handle off.

It was a bit fiddly getting the locking mechanism out. Once out, I checked to see everything was working , changed the door handled and reassembled. Easy job I thought. Of course, at first the lock wouldn't lock the car! After some adjustment, it then locked but wouldn't unlock on the key although it will lock on the key & works manually by the lock knob and unlocks on the internal pull handle door release.

1/.Have I done something wrong or could something be worn enough to prevent locking by the key?

2/. I would like to undo the window winder so I can take the door card fully off. Is there a concealed fixing for the winder or is it a question of prising off or unscrewing. Not knowing which, I was hesitant to use any force.

thanks
Andy

[rogerelias]

To remove the winder, what you need to do is, behind the winder handle push in the chrome surround, you should then expose the shaft of the window regulator, then if you look you will see a horseshoe shaped cip, use a small screwdriver, and just lift the clip slightly as it is in a groove on the shaft, be careful not to lose the clip, as they tend to want to fly off, also the chrome surround has a spring behind it, so make sure it doesn't fly off too. Job done, refitting is to quote Haynes manual ,the reversal of the above.

[Angle Grinder]

If the Fulvia winder is like the Flavia (and I guess it will be), you simply push in the metal cap that sits between the winder and the door card. There is a spring trapped under the cap so watch for this when you get to the stage of releasing the winder.

With the cap pushed in, rotate the winder until you can see a little notch where a "crescent" shaped strip of metal slots into a groove. It is a tiny piece of metal so have someting on the ground in case it falls to the floor. "Flick" the small "crescent" shaped piece of metal out with a small screw driver or pin and the winder handle should then slide of its grooved shaft.

[richardgcs]

Further to the previous replies, put a sheet or towel down to catch the horseshoe clip if it springs out- took me an hour once to find one. the locks are infuriating-from the back of the lock barrel there is a small threaded pin with small locknut-this has to be centred in the part of the lock mechanism that operates the lever which locks/unlocks. you will have to remove door card and use a torch/lamp.the small pin with rounded end is adjustable but can be a so and so to position . will try and take photo of spare lock I have somewhere.

[richardgcs]

note pin on lever at rear of barrel isnt standard !

[blueboxer]

Thank you for your replies and the lock photo.

I never got round to taking the window winders off. I'll save that for another day but thanks again for your replies. I would probably have caused some serious damage without knowing the procedure to remove!

After much tampering, I've got the nearside lock working intermittently and the offside is perfect having been literally a 5 minute job. I spent hours tweaking the nearside but will have to have another go as it now locks and unlocks on the key but if you press the lock handle button before it's unlocked then the key won't operate the lock.
I managed to get a couple of photos inside the door and the nearside seems to have a larger gap between the base of the locking lever and the rounded knob on the back of the lock itself. Definitely a fiddly job and I found that the height of the black push knob and the position of the nut holding the wire to the door release all made a difference. A few mm in either direction made a huge difference resulting in either no locking at all or locking but not unlocking.
It was getting cold and I wanted to clear up so have put everything back together and will tackle it another day but I will definitely try adjusting the threaded pin you suggested.
The first photo is the troublesome lock and the 2nd is the lock that works perfectly.