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Author Topic: Ethanol issues ( I finally have a Fulvia!)  (Read 9286 times)
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« on: 22 August, 2022, 06:41:16 AM »

Hi Brian, the wonders of modern petrol? Andrea
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« Reply #1 on: 22 August, 2022, 07:49:01 AM »

Ethanol is a menace and should be avoided.
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« Reply #2 on: 22 August, 2022, 08:32:33 AM »

Agreed - why buy and pay tax to buy oxygen when it is free all around us.
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« Reply #3 on: 22 August, 2022, 01:41:55 PM »

Hi Brian, the wonders of modern petrol? Andrea
Hi Andrea,
Must admit the thought did cross my mind.
Up to now I haven't really noticed a problem using E5, and I have no intention of using E10.
Could have turned out much worse with petrol flowing until I could stop.

Brian
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« Reply #4 on: 22 August, 2022, 07:15:37 PM »

Thank you all for your replies, some really useful detail.  Do you think it best just to buy a new one from Omicron to ensure a quality item (assuming that’s the case)?

Once running I will be adding Millers VSPe to negate the effects of the ethanol, I use it all up the time in my old 911
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« Reply #5 on: 22 August, 2022, 07:53:00 PM »

Many Esso stations sell 99 octane marked E5 that doesn’t actually contain any ethanol. 5% is a maximum and it does not have to contain any. Their website gives more information on which garages have it.
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« Reply #6 on: 22 August, 2022, 09:04:33 PM »

Many Esso stations sell 99 octane marked E5 that doesn’t actually contain any ethanol. 5% is a maximum and it does not have to contain any. Their website gives more information on which garages have it.
over the years I have tried Esso and recently gave it another go because of the “0” E. However my Fulvias really never go as well as when run on VPower or 2nd choice BP. Cant explain it but Esso pinks more and runs badly in hot conditions.
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« Reply #7 on: 23 August, 2022, 07:08:16 AM »

Hello Tim, worth considering to decoke the valves and combustion chambers? Andrea
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« Reply #8 on: 23 August, 2022, 10:33:11 AM »

I gather the Esso zero ethanol E5 depends which refinery it comes from so varies between regions. Thankfully in Mid Beds I am in a zero ethanol area.
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« Reply #9 on: 23 August, 2022, 08:34:19 PM »

From the Esso website:

Our Synergy Supreme+ 99 petrol has more cleaning power than our regular petrol – and includes molecules whose job it is to reduce the friction in your engine helping the moving parts work more efficiently.*

Although our pumps have E5 labels on them, our Synergy Supreme+ 99 is actually ethanol free (except, due to technical supply reasons, in Devon, Cornwall, North Wales, North England and Scotland). Legislation requires us to place these E5 labels on pumps that dispense unleaded petrol with ‘up to 5% ethanol’, including those that contain no ethanol, which is why we display them on our Synergy Supreme+ 99 pumps.

There’s currently no requirement for renewable fuel, like ethanol, to be present in super unleaded petrol although this could change in the future, in which case we would comply with any new legislation.
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« Reply #10 on: 24 August, 2022, 11:03:36 AM »

That's news to me on the Esso fuel - thanks.
I know when I had a Mazda RX-8 many years ago it did not like BP fuel as much so clearly there are variations in petrol out there.
I always try and fill the Fulvia with super unleaded and hadn't specifically noticed any difference between suppliers but that ethanol position is interesting.
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« Reply #11 on: 24 August, 2022, 09:28:00 PM »

It would be good if they were a little more specific in geographic terms - I wonder what they mean by North England? Living in Yorkshire people in London say I am in the north whilst people in Tyneside say I'm in the south! No idea if the Esso petrol I buy locally would have ethanol or not.
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« Reply #12 on: 25 August, 2022, 06:55:34 AM »

As a comparison I could test in this area, if others could test in their own areas? I will post my result .


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« Reply #13 on: 25 August, 2022, 09:27:59 AM »

E5 has a result of 5% here. (East Sussex independent brand.)


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« Reply #14 on: 25 August, 2022, 09:38:00 PM »

As a comparison I could test in this area, if others could test in their own areas? I will post my result .

Where did you get the tester, I'd like to see what it is in my area.
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