|
Sebastien
Megaposter
Posts: 560
|
|
« Reply #1 on: 16 January, 2011, 01:36:30 PM » |
|
Thank you Neil for your comments regarding that car.
The french description, and also the english (quite litteral: phare = beacon) translation raise a few questions:
The car being exhibited is one of the rare cars, nicknamed fanalone (great beacons), which were made in 1969-1970 according to the specifications of factory cars (steel body with aluminium sliding roofs).
I think you answered those questions perfectly! Another example of misleading descriptions, that confirms the absolute necessity of thoroughly researching cars offered (at auctions or at dealers).
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
ncundy
Lapsed
Rebel Poster
Posts: 980
|
|
« Reply #2 on: 16 January, 2011, 06:00:00 PM » |
|
Yes, it's a shame as I suspect it's a very well put together car which will have its own value. But selling it for additional value when it's patently not what it says it is, is wrong.
Just as an example here is the fake chassis plate, incorrect fonts and steering wheel (top left) against a real one - poorly done.
As an aside does anyone know the significance of the IGM and DGM?
|
|
|
Logged
|
1969 Fanalone, Mazda RX-8, Fiat Multipla
|
|
|
zagatoboy
Guest
|
|
« Reply #3 on: 16 January, 2011, 06:13:48 PM » |
|
This must surely be made clear to the autioneers? this is fraud, even if the current owner thinks it is a genuine car some innocent buyer will end up with a fake? am I wrong?
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Nick Gramaglia
|
|
« Reply #4 on: 16 January, 2011, 09:29:59 PM » |
|
As an aside does anyone know the significance of the IGM and DGM?
The IGM and DGM numbers are issued by the Italian government to all Italian vehicles
IGM (Ispettorato Generale Motorizzazione)is the old name for DGM (Direzione Generale Motorizzazione) so older cars pre 1967 have a IGM number and later ones have a DGM number.
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
ncundy
Lapsed
Rebel Poster
Posts: 980
|
|
« Reply #5 on: 16 January, 2011, 10:04:56 PM » |
|
Nick, Thanks for that. So as this car is a 1970 chassis number it should have a DGM pre-fix. I've had a look at mine and it's a DGM pre-fix and is an earlier chassis number than the car in question.
I wonder if I'll get a reply from Artcurial?
|
|
|
Logged
|
1969 Fanalone, Mazda RX-8, Fiat Multipla
|
|
|
Dilambdaman
Permanent resident
Posts: 1380
|
|
« Reply #6 on: 17 January, 2011, 02:19:42 PM » |
|
My Fanalone is Chassis No. 818541 1098 Engine No 1103. First registered in England 15th August 1969.
The Chassis plate certainly looks original but is printed IGN not DGN as is suggested it should be. CUC 20H is well documented and the provenance solid I believe.
Robin.
|
|
|
Logged
|
Robin Lacey 3222
1932 Dilambda 1992 Y10 GTie 2012 Delta Mk3 2013 Ypsilon 846
|
|
|
ncundy
Lapsed
Rebel Poster
Posts: 980
|
|
« Reply #7 on: 17 January, 2011, 02:48:28 PM » |
|
Maybe they had loads of them and they were just used until they ran out? As you say there's no doubts on your cars provenance.
|
|
|
Logged
|
1969 Fanalone, Mazda RX-8, Fiat Multipla
|
|
|
Dilambdaman
Permanent resident
Posts: 1380
|
|
« Reply #8 on: 10 February, 2011, 09:30:35 PM » |
|
It didn't sell! Robin.
|
|
|
Logged
|
Robin Lacey 3222
1932 Dilambda 1992 Y10 GTie 2012 Delta Mk3 2013 Ypsilon 846
|
|
|
Neil
Permanent resident
Posts: 1316
|
|
« Reply #9 on: 11 February, 2011, 10:12:52 AM » |
|
Robin, no it didn't, it was pushed in the corner on Saturday (a S2 HF with S1 HF Fanalone front), see the photos I posted earlier in the week under Events 2011.
|
|
|
Logged
|
Neil 386
1973 Fulvia S2 1.3
|
|
|
|