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Hm. Having now seen the cars Im convinced this is actually a good move. The company are very upbeat while new Ypsilon has turned into a more grown up car and I like it, as I do the Flavia convertible. Suggest we accept that this is 2011, things have changed for everybody and we start showing more support for Fiat. Sorry cant post pictures at the moment.
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Hm. Having now seen the cars Im convinced this is actually a good move. The company are very upbeat while new Ypsilon has turned into a more grown up car and I like it, as I do the Flavia convertible. Suggest we accept that this is 2011, things have changed for everybody and we start showing more support for Fiat. Sorry cant post pictures at the moment.
Pleased to hear it Peter. Its a view I had come to in theory, but its good to hear that having seen the cars in the metal, you are positive too. The Ypsi ought to be a good car given its platform and its antecedents, but I'm particularly pleased that the Flavia, one of the Chrysler derived cars, is looking good too. Given that the Flavia is the car we'd all be inclined to have the biggest doubts about, because its related to the mediocre Sebring, I'm encouraged to know that Lancia have started to work their magic on it. I've stuck my neck out (and suffered the personal abuse for it) in support of the Fiat strategy, but its important for Lancia that this works. Because if it does, the chances that the company will take a chance on something iconic, like a modern day Fulvietta for example, are much greater. Lancia's roots are in grand tourers and highly engineered small cars, and there is some prospect that this is what Marchionne is intending once again for the marque. Viva Lancia... |
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. . . . but RHD will all be badged Chrysler over here but I can't see why if you are ordering a new car that it can't be ordered with Lancia branding, although I doubt this will be an option through a UK Chrysler dealer and the reg doc will also say Chrysler.
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Chris, I know it's being a bit pedantic but can you please call the Ypsilon an Ypsilon not a Ypsi. Thanks. Brian 8227  |
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Some more news, good and bad. The new Ypsilon is rumoured due in UK around October 2011, which is good, if it happens. Not so good, European dealers refuse to accept the Flavia unless it comes with diesel, not the ancient cast iron six pot. And before you say it, apparently the existing Fiat engines wont fit. We can but wait. The Thema is due for Europe at some point but the Flavia Coupe looks doomed with only the drop top standing any chance of survival. Typical Lancia. I have included a couple of shots from last night.
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Chris, I know it's being a bit pedantic but can you please call the Ypsilon an Ypsilon not a Ypsi. Thanks. Brian 8227 Tut. I wear my basball cap backwards, lurk in dark corners wearing a hoodie, and drink cheap cider too. YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI  |
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As has been said, that is a weird colour scheme on the ypsilon - it looks like a pickup truck ! But overall I like the car , just not that view  But overall I think it's positive and all makes sense. *luckily I typed it in full and managed to correct the typo saying ypsiloin .... DUUUUUUUHHHH |
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« Reply #22 on: 07 March, 2011, 01:01:28 PM » |
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Some more news, good and bad. The new Ypislon is rumoured due in UK around October 2011, which is good, if it happens. Not so good, European dealers refuse to accept the Flavia unless it comes with diesel, not the ancient cast iron six pot. And before you say it, apparently the existing Fiat engines wont fit. We can but wait. The Thema is due for Europe at some point but the Flavia Coupe looks doomed with only the drop top standing any chance of survival. Typical Lancia. I have included a couple of shots from last night.
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Some more news, good and bad. The new Ypislon is rumoured due in UK around October 2011, which is good, if it happens. Not so good, European dealers refuse to accept the Flavia unless it comes with diesel, not the ancient cast iron six pot. And before you say it, apparently the existing Fiat engines wont fit. We can but wait. The Thema is due for Europe at some point but the Flavia Coupe looks doomed with only the drop top standing any chance of survival. Typical Lancia. I have included a couple of shots from last night.
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Chris, I know it's being a bit pedantic but can you please call the Ypsilon an Ypsilon not a Ypsi. Thanks. Brian 8227 Tut. I wear my basball cap backwards, lurk in dark corners wearing a hoodie, and drink cheap cider too. YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI YPSI Ah, now I understand it's obviously a generation thing  |
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I was expecting something like this so I took some more pic with the help of the 'Lancia' girls. Well, is that better?
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Is that first picture a facelifted delta or another ypsi/lon ?
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Hm. Having now seen the cars Im convinced this is actually a good move. The company are very upbeat while new Ypsilon has turned into a more grown up car and I like it, as I do the Flavia convertible. Suggest we accept that this is 2011, things have changed for everybody and we start showing more support for Fiat. Sorry cant post pictures at the moment.
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