B10*2283

[lancialulu]

Be quick as DVLA are running out of period 3 number 3 letter registrations. Over a year ago I registered my B12 and got 459 UYY. I estimate there are less than 2000 of these registration left.

[williamcorke]

Be quick as DVLA are running out of period 3 number 3 letter registrations. Over a year ago I registered my B12 and got 459 UYY. I estimate there are less than 2000 of these registration left.

DVLA has had the form and cheque etc. for more than a week, so I can't go any faster! I wonder what they will do when the 2,000 have been allotted.

[Parisien]

The paint and interior is a lovely combination. It does look very delicate and elegant among the 'hulks'. But I suppose it's the hulks that let Prince Philip and the other occupants survive pretty much unscathed. So we'll never see such pretty styling again.

That is a consideration. My wife said on Saturday that she wouldn't go on the Motorway in it. Not the easiest car to fit belts to, like any pillarless Lancia saloon. What experience to people here with Aprilias etc. have with seatbelt fitting? I can't see the point of having a lap belt in the front - your head will still smash into the wheel/dash in a frontal collision.

As In the Classic and Sportscar of March 2019 post, the belts/harnesses fitted were made by Schroth.

https://www.schrothracing.com/products/tuning


Photos of same fitted in advertised B20 in link below.

https://sports-purpose.com/cars/forsale/carDetail.php?1953-Lancia-Aurelia-B20GT-Series-III-Coup-12

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[the.cern]

Seatbelts are a problem ..... I feel that a lap only belt is better than no belt at all!!! When I was welding the B20 consideration was given to seatbelts and I decided that a full harness was the way forward. However, I was advised that would not work properly because of low-back 50s seats. With such seats the shoulder straps are not restrained laterally and could slip off ...... so I did not weld anchorage points into the floor. I have since reconsidered the matter, but a little late as the floor is finished inside and out. I have now decided I will use a full harness, but with a single anchorage for the shoulder straps. The justification is that even if the shoulder straps slip I still have a lap belt!! I will use belts with a single anchorage rather than twin anchorages for the shoulder straps which should help keep them in place and am also giving consideration to a modifying them with a short strap to link the two shoulder straps located just behind the seat back. Thus even if the straps are not located on the seat they are located around the person!!
I was interested to see in the link to the 3rd series that the front seat belts could not be seen in the view of the rear 'seat' area. It makes me wonder where the shoulder strap anchorages are located!
I would appreciate any comments/advice on fitting belts in a B20 and indeed an Appia.

                                  Andy

[Richard Fridd]

Regarding the rear mounting point, 0 to 10 degrees below the shoulder is recommended here (to avoid compacting the spine I think)

[DavidLaver]

From the car advertised I like the water temp in the glovebox.  Won't be long and they'll be an app to track such data along with the bluetooth connection to hidden speakers and providing navigation.

Belts...  the "if it was me" for a B10 would be an anchorage where the rear back rest meets the cushion, and perhaps that being a wire loop or something that could be folded out the way rather than "the obvious" of an eye bolt into a captive nut.  My memory is of a fixing in the parcel shelf (B20, with reinforcement), but for a while I had a baby seat strapped in so that would have required the "between backrest and cushion" anchorage.

Headrests?   I had fittings to take either race buckets or Fulvia seats or the bench. 

The other safety item I had was a set of indicators and brake lights mounted in the back window. They were little round rubber lights I think for trailers clipped round the trim, these days with LEDs am sure could do something even more discrete.

MIRRORS - I wasn't willing to take on London traffic without a mirror on each door...101 ways to do that also...

[williamcorke]

From the car advertised I like the water temp in the glovebox.  Won't be long and they'll be an app to track such data along with the bluetooth connection to hidden speakers and providing navigation.

Belts...  the "if it was me" for a B10 would be an anchorage where the rear back rest meets the cushion, and perhaps that being a wire loop or something that could be folded out the way rather than "the obvious" of an eye bolt into a captive nut.  My memory is of a fixing in the parcel shelf (B20, with reinforcement), but for a while I had a baby seat strapped in so that would have required the "between backrest and cushion" anchorage.

Headrests?   I had fittings to take either race buckets or Fulvia seats or the bench. 

The other safety item I had was a set of indicators and brake lights mounted in the back window. They were little round rubber lights I think for trailers clipped round the trim, these days with LEDs am sure could do something even more discrete.

MIRRORS - I wasn't willing to take on London traffic without a mirror on each door...101 ways to do that also...

I have been pursuing a similar thought to yours David, re seatbelts. I think an 'eye' could be used which would be concealed when the rear centre seatrest is up - fastened through the rear bulkhead to the boot. Some reinforcement probably needed, but it wouldn't be visible. The belt could be unclipped from the eye when not in use, and the other two mountings are relatively straightforward - the sill-side and through between the two front seat cushions.

[DavidLaver]

With belts consider a five point.  If doing the work and buying some nice looking belts it wouldn't be a lot extra, and if you don't get on with them can unclip and not use that component.

[DavidLaver]

With mounting ideas if not able to get eyes where you want rally cars often have them looped over horizontal bars of the cage - eg between strut tops.  It might be "1 - find a place to get a mounting" then "2 - build a structure to link mountings" then "3 - attach belts".  I'm thinking perhaps a bar half way up the back rest that wraps round the back rest to "structure".  Perhaps something up from the sills.  Would also stop the shopping bags sliding about   It would be ugly, it would make the car a two seater, it very much depends when and where and how (and with who) you want to use the car...

[Parisien]

https://encheres.catawiki.eu/kavels/24654777-lancia-aurelia-b10-1951?utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=coop&utm_content=Lesanciennes&utm_campaign=ClassicCars-FR

Perhaps the photos of the seat belts used on the above B10 for sale in Holland may be of use.


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[Mikenoangelo]

Old habits are hard to escape, as the actress said to the bishop. I've been driving open vintage cars such as my 1925 Salmson Twin Cam (which Fred, you may recall from the VSCC Measham Rally) for more than 60 years with no thought of seat belts but as I set off in any saloon, including my Augusta and a previously owned 20hp Rolls Royce, I immediately reach for the non existent seat belt. Mind you I wonder a bit about the risk of losing a passenger from the pillarless Augusta if the door flew open. I do try to remember to lock the suicide back doors although luckily the locks and catches seem quite unworn on this car.

Mike

[williamcorke]

Goodwood on Saturday. Lovely day and drive, the furthest I've been in the car. Still quite a few jobs to do but at least the slipping clutch is now sorted. We were joined by deeyesbee in his S2 Fulvia Berlina for a lovely cross-country drive over the weald and south downs.

Thanks Frank for the seatbelt reference. I'm not sure that using the seat back to retain you (with the upper belt pulling against it) in the event of a frontal crash is a very good idea.

[williamcorke]

A fun few hours out this Sunday at the Shere Hill Climb, parked in the paddock next to the Kennedys' Superjolly and Dale's Augusta.
The picture of the B10 on the hill is thanks to Robert Clayson.

[chriswgawne]

Pretty quick Q car up the hill William with that engine and transaxle?
Lovely photograph by the way.
Chris

[williamcorke]

Felt quick enough Chris. With the low gearing, once I was in 3rd that was all I needed for the hay-bale chicanes, corners, climb etc. That said, it's not much of a hill.