B10*2283

[williamcorke]

Hello William, I can see all the photographs except those which accompanied the 'metalwork meets woodwork'!!!

I am hoping that I will remember that the transaxle support members are handed ..... it is great to pick up these tips on the forum!!! However, I have to get a lot of non Lancia work off my plate before I may return to the workshop so it may a while before my memory is tested!!!!!!

Good luck with your ongoing work, Andy

Hi Andy,

I think I've fixed the 'woodwork' photo.

Re the transaxle crossmember bolts: if you trial fit them - on their own - to the underside of the car (as I did) it's clear which direction they are 'leaning'. Having done this myself was the 'clue' that led to the figuring out of the problem. The angle of bolts (and thus the angle of the bush mountings on either end of the crossmembers) is large enough that you can easily spot it by eye to determine the correct position.

Best, William

[DavidLaver]

Photos - can see them now.  99pct of my online life is on a chromebook now and even on that I can take whatever image from wherever (copyright permitting...), save it on the machine to then attach back to the forum post.

[williamcorke]

Photos - can see them now.  99pct of my online life is on a chromebook now and even on that I can take whatever image from wherever (copyright permitting...), save it on the machine to then attach back to the forum post.

I can attach photos to forum posts using the '+ Additional Options...' function (as long as the files are not too large or too many), but it is not possible to have photos 'in-line', i.e. text, photo to illustrate, text, photo to illustrate, etc. etc. I think it's easier to explain what you've been doing if the text and images can alternate. Never mind, I might try making lots of smaller posts rather than fewer, longer ones.

[chriswgawne]

All photos there now William. Well done.
Chris

[williamcorke]

More progress, more problems...

Yesterday was exciting. Brakes now working (hydraulic and hand) and the engine installed for the first time.

However. The engine (B12) with air cleaner on top is too tall by about 5 cm and fouls the bonnet as a result. See photos 2 and 3. The air cleaner (FISPA) is pretty tall from mounting flange to top it's about 13 cm.

Is the B12 engine taller than a B10 one?

The very irritating thing is that, until about 2 weeks ago, I had in a box what would have probably been the easiest answer to this - a FISPA Flaminia air cleaner (photo 4) suitable for the Solex PAAI I have on the engine. 2 weeks ago I responded to an enquiry from a Flaminia owner in Italy who needed such an air cleaner so I sold it to him - it had sat in a box for 15 years so I couldn't see a reason not to help out. A lesson to horde?

Any suggestions? Does someone have a suitable air cleaner that's less tall?

[lancianut666]

That sure is one beast of an air filter casing is it an oil bath one?
Clarkey

[chriswgawne]

William,
I am fairly sure  I have a suitable FISPA pancake air filter box in the UK (which might need some tlc) and I certainly have one here to refer to. They are 7 cm overall height. I am next in UK Wednesday this week for a couple of days.
Chris   

[williamcorke]

Thanks Chris,
7cm would do it - I have at least 10cm of clearance...
William

[williamcorke]

That sure is one beast of an air filter casing is it an oil bath one?
Clarkey

No oil bath in it. The filter element is lots of layers of wire mesh. It looks very like the one shown in the first edition (B10) of the parts book. Shame it doesn't fit!

[chriswgawne]

I think that Aurelia engines were very much the same overall height but the carburettor height certainly does vary with the Solex 40PAAI being as tall as a Weber 40DCL/Z.
Chris

[williamcorke]

This morning I seem to have hit a significant snag.

I tried to complete the fitting of the propshaft, but it is clear that the engine is too high relative to the propshaft tunnel, by perhaps 3 cm, possibly more.

There are new engine rubber mounts in place, which are not yet compressed, but that couldn't make more than perhaps 5mm of difference. So my best guess supposition is that the engine mounts on the block are the wrong type. The engine is a B12 one (for reasons I won't go into now) and I'm wondering if the B10 mounts put the engine at a different height to B10 ones.

But are the mounts different? The parts books for S1 and S2 use exactly the same drawing (below). There is a different part number but could be a result of the new numbering system in the S2 book.
S1 - Tav 9, #14. B10-018R
S2 - Tav 9, #14. 1100871

Does anyone here have detailed knowledge of Aurelia berlina engine mounts and the differences between series?

Looks like the engine will be coming out again...

[williamcorke]

After some investigation, which included measuring the B10 engine mount plates (rear) that I managed to find in my not always perfectly organised  'stores', it is clear that the issue was not these. So attention then turned  to the new engine mount rubbers.

These seem to have almost no 'squish' in them. With me today, helping out, was Andrew Thorogood, who knows a lot about old Italian cars. He does some work with one of the leading suppliers of parts for Alfa 105 cars, who says that modern compounds for 'repro' engine mount rubbers have a much higher plastic content (less rubber) than the originals. As a result, the modern replacements often produce significant NVH (noise, vibration, harshness) problems.

I have kept my old engine and transaxle mounts, and it's true that the old ones are much softer than the modern ones.

So, I swapped in old mounts in and lo and behold there was enough clearance to get the prop in. And it is now in.

Not a huge list of jobs to do before the engine can be started. That'll be a big day.

[Parisien]

Will, are all new engine mounts the same ie, largely uncompressable and bound to give mounting issues?

Good to hear you're making progress, you have a pm.


P

[williamcorke]

Will, are all new engine mounts the same ie, largely uncompressable and bound to give mounting issues?

Good to hear you're making progress, you have a pm.

P

Thanks Frank. I don't know if all new mounts are the same, but it does seem surprising to me that the manufacturers of such things are not making more of an effort to assess and reproduce original specifications.

Cheers,
William

[williamcorke]

Progress update.

The dashboard is in and the gear linkage in and adjusted. I can select all 5 gears which is encouraging! The 3-4 plane isn't exactly where it should be - at the rest position of the column lever - so some further adjustments will be needed once the car is running.

The engine has been spun over on the starter with the plugs out and oil pressure is showing on the dashboard gauge.

Today the fuel system has been connected up and is delivering fuel without any leaks down the lines. This took a while as the pump I had fitted didn't pump and it took a while and some fiddly removal and refitting procedures before the problem was identified. Luckily I had a spare correct pump on a shelf in a box of parts put aside for a future project - an early Giulietta Sprint. With the spare pump fitted and the system primed using back-pressure from the tank, fuel was finally seen coming through to the carb. When the accelerator pedal is pressed, the jets in the throats squirt fuel down the venturis, so all seems well in that department (for now).

Back-pressure on the tank was obtained as seen in the photo below, by using a bit of old inner-tube and an airline. A technique found in an old forum post using Google search.

The static timing is set, so once the coil has some current the thing should be able to be started. A big moment in prospect...