rat or restore

[chugga boom]

Well James, I read this very interesting discussion that indeed seems to at least 'free' some heavy emotions.
Well I still have my first Lancia ever, a 1980 Beta coupé 2000, and I restored it extensively inside and out, everything new.  The story is: i still have it, and have driven it for 4km's in 20 years, because I did'nt want it to deteriorate.  Now THAT is real car agbuse I can tell you.  So my advise would be: USE IT!
I intend to put the Beta on the road and not care about it seeing some rain, as nog it's just a sad car in storage.
And for my furgoncino: I intend to do the same: do the necessary welding and see it will not deteriorate, and use it.

My daily driver is a Thema 1st series 8V turbo in winter and a Gamma Saloon for vthe summer do I feel bad about it? not very often.
So you have my full support, cars are made to be driven, not to be stored.

thankyou and totally agree 

[chugga boom]

James, you say you will treat the scuttle of your car "properly, not with cure rust rubbish". Is there a simple treatment you recommend for surface rust?

In the past I have used (not by choice) and witnessed others using cure rust products, this will often cause micro blisters in paint afterwards (not immediately but fairly quickly ) my uncle was a metallurgist and always told us to prevent rust or stop it getting worse it needs to be starved of oxygen / air , the simplest way of doing this is with a good quality cavity wax such as Wurth products, what I find is that the wurth product is so thin that it runs between seems on body panels before it solidifies therefore stopping any water or air getting into seams , there is great debate at the moment about chemical stripping of cars which is acid based, when the car is dipped the acid runs into seams and is trapped, as soon as water/ air comes into contact with it it will burst out in rust bubbles, trust me I've seen it happen on a MK2 escort that was done, I use either a shutz gun or I also have a proper cavity wax gun with lances and drill holes out of sight and fill box sections in the car until its running out of seams, the 1600HF we have just finished had 1ltr in each sill alone, a total of 6 ltrs were put into the car and probably 2 ran back out of it, waxoil is very good but not thin enough to run into seems and I tend to use that underneath where its good for a thick protective covering, its very simple but very effective , sounds too good to be true but honestly works, 

[Lapsed Cesare Ferrari]

James, thank you. Does that mean that if rust shows on the surface of a hidden flat panel one should simply apply a layer of the wax product sufficient to cover the rusty-looking portion?

[Parisien]

Done the same before James with Dinitrol, cavity and surface proofing...well worth doing ( regularly mind you) and so much cheaper than cutting out and putting in new metal again! Plus will do same soon to B12 when bodywork completed.


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[chugga boom]

James, thank you. Does that mean that if rust shows on the surface of a hidden flat panel one should simply apply a layer of the wax product sufficient to cover the rusty-looking portion?

if its a panel that cannot be cleaned due to lack of access then yes, if the rust can be cleaned off then do so, etch prime and either wax or seal with a good wax underseal or cavity wax, example : fulvia front wings between the arch and A post cannot be reached without removal of front wings, there will be rust down the due to lack of factory paint, I feed the plastic lance off the cavity wax gun down there and running flat out move forwards and backwards and up slowly if you get what I meen, as the solvent evaporates moisture condenses on the outside of the wing (painted surface) so gives a very good indication of the area covered by wax (that its uniform and no where is missed), the wax naturally runs down so starting from the bottom up it just keeps running down into the most vunerable areas where water collects

[Lapsed Cesare Ferrari]

Thank you James. I have to say by the way that I am very supportive of the idea of running old cars that are practical for normal use rather than storing them for eventual but perhaps improbable restoration. Your idea of running as is however sounds as good or better than a lot of restorations. Happy motoring with the Appia! Cesare

[stanley sweet]

Chugga - if you ever fancy a little break in France and bring your rustproofing equipment............................

[DavidLaver]

I think it will be a while before he offers that Omicron "fly to you in our light aircraft" service - as much as anything as its so hard to drag him away from his workshop.  The way to get him down to you is to find half a van stripped for spares and abandoned as unrestorable.  He'd be there like a shot for it...

David

[Parisien]

David....you're such a hooligan....but in a pleasing way.....


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[stanley sweet]

.................there is an very ancient chassis nicely overgrown in the village.

[peteracs]

.................there is an very ancient chassis nicely overgrown in the village.

Pictures are now required after that teaser

Peter

[stanley sweet]

Busy tomorrow - taking the Fulvia out to see Tour Auto arrive at Dijon with luck - but will try to get one this week.

[chugga boom]

I think it will be a while before he offers that Omicron "fly to you in our light aircraft" service - as much as anything as its so hard to drag him away from his workshop.  The way to get him down to you is to find half a van stripped for spares and abandoned as unrestorable.  He'd be there like a shot for it...

David

when viewing our house, I viewed the garages and drive area while Beckie viewed the house  , what seemed to be plenty has quickly filled , I have now resorted to hiding things under things outside so she doesn't notice, I'm most proud of my wood pile next to the garages which she parks next to everyday..............probably not realising that there is a complete appia rear axle springs and wheels under 

[stanley sweet]

That reminds me of someone I knew who couldn't stop buying RC aircraft to build. He had stacks in the attic. He said once you reach a 'critical mass' your wife can't keep up with what's happening.

[fay66]

I think it will be a while before he offers that Omicron "fly to you in our light aircraft" service - as much as anything as its so hard to drag him away from his workshop.  The way to get him down to you is to find half a van stripped for spares and abandoned as unrestorable.  He'd be there like a shot for it...

David

when viewing our house, I viewed the garages and drive area while Beckie viewed the house  , what seemed to be plenty has quickly filled , I have now resorted to hiding things under things outside so she doesn't notice, I'm most proud of my wood pile next to the garages which she parks next to everyday..............probably not realising that there is a complete appia rear axle springs and wheels under 

James,
What's it worth not to bubble you to Beckie

Brian
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