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« Reply #555 on: 15 October, 2018, 01:52:35 PM » |
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SNAFU developing with regard to the new starter....
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« Reply #556 on: 15 October, 2018, 06:09:46 PM » |
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SNAFU developing with regard to the new starter....
Oh NO!!!! That is unbelievable!!!! Where now? |
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« Reply #557 on: 16 October, 2018, 12:44:23 PM » |
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Basically it won't fit...when I got in touch with the manufacturer they admitted the ones they have sold went to Formula Junior applications not run of the mill Appias. To their credit they have offered to modify the starter motor to see if they can get a working solution. Hmm...
The pictures show the difference in size of the motors with the new one a lot more beefy than the original. One of the problems is the +ve pole that fouls on the crankcase and would short out. The other problem is the engine mounting will not go back on with the new motor in place.
Disgruntled of Scarborough
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« Reply #558 on: 16 October, 2018, 01:09:08 PM » |
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I would get a refund and stick with your standard starter. Just make sure the brushes are good and everything greased....(assuming the solenoid is doing its job)
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Its not the winning but taking part! or is it taking apart?
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« Reply #559 on: 16 October, 2018, 03:38:14 PM » |
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I thought a series one appia had a cable operated starter? At least my series one has that, and so it is depicted in the parts manual, but my appia is a very early one.
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« Reply #560 on: 16 October, 2018, 06:05:02 PM » |
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Hi all
My car has been fitted with a S2 engine and gearbox as the original engine had gone AWOL when I bought the car. The starter motor has been reconned by Don but they are known to be a bit lacking and can burn out the bridge if you give them too much stick.I will see what the starter motor company come up with they seem keen to sort it all out.
Clarkey
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« Reply #561 on: 26 October, 2018, 12:51:13 PM » |
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update
have been persevering with the old starter and a slightly bigger battery filched from the Y10...suffice to say there was a few kicks as it tried to start with a whiff of Bradex down the carb so we will charge the battery back up and give it another go
Clarkey
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« Reply #562 on: 01 November, 2018, 07:32:30 PM » |
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Tried with the recharged battery but just a few snuffles and a very hot starter...so fresh petrol? drained the tank and will try again tomorrow
Clarkey
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« Reply #563 on: 13 November, 2018, 08:44:51 PM » |
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A little bird tells me a prototype starter is wending it's way to sunny Scarborough
watch this space!
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« Reply #564 on: 14 November, 2018, 11:50:52 AM » |
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...and if that doesn't work use that starter motor to convert the Y10 to full electric.
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« Reply #565 on: 28 November, 2018, 03:13:30 PM » |
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Hi all
no progress to date have chased up both Cavalitto and Wosp performance regarding exhausts and starter motors so will have to be patient. I did notice a audible improvement when spinning the engine over without the plugs in as the oil pressure got up and circulated but the starter gets too warm for my liking so will either try towing the little beast or wait and see on the new starter motor. My mate Terry (we will be using his great big Merc as tow truck) is away till 15th December so it might be in the New Year...however I know where there is a little Y10 that has started to behave itself shame it is a 4 hr round trip.
Clarkey
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« Reply #566 on: 03 December, 2018, 09:53:42 PM » |
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Parcel arriving tomorrow....
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« Reply #567 on: 18 December, 2018, 01:22:30 PM » |
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Any progress on the Starter issue?.......am interested as it is Appia related, but also ,I think my S2 starter is a bit feeble!.
Ian
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« Reply #568 on: 18 December, 2018, 05:47:30 PM » |
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Any progress on the Starter issue?.......am interested as it is Appia related, but also ,I think my S2 starter is a bit feeble!.
Ian
Have you looked at the starter. You may find the brushes are on their last legs and / or the commutator clogged up. Even an "overhauled unit" needs checking.... I cannot believe Lancia fit feeble starter motors! |
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1972 Fulvia 1600HF
1972 Fulvia Sport 1600
1983 HPE VX
1988 Delta 1.6GTie
1998 Zeta 21. 12v
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« Reply #569 on: 19 December, 2018, 04:23:15 PM » |
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Starter motors
The starter motor on my car is an overhauled one supplied by Don Cross so it is as good as it gets...I am looking to have a reliable car so the original starter is a place to start as it is not known for it's oomph so a modern more powerful replacement is being worked on. As soon as I have any news I will share it with the forum and Appia Consortium members.
Clarkey
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